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For example, every scale has a given set of notes. But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into one particular scale?
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For example, every scale has a given set of notes. But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into one particular scale?
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You should really listen to some Stockhausen for example. Extreme example, but it does answer your question (depending on what you mean by song).
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I have never seen a composition that does fall into one exact scale all the way through.
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For example, every scale has a given set of notes. But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into one particular scale?
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For example, every scale has a given set of notes. But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into one particular scale?
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You should really listen to some Stockhausen for example. Extreme example, but it does answer your question (depending on what you mean by song).
– 11684
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I have never seen a composition that does fall into one exact scale all the way through.
– Quintec
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You should really listen to some Stockhausen for example. Extreme example, but it does answer your question (depending on what you mean by song).
– 11684
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I have never seen a composition that does fall into one exact scale all the way through.
– Quintec
13 hours ago
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You should really listen to some Stockhausen for example. Extreme example, but it does answer your question (depending on what you mean by song).
– 11684
23 hours ago
You should really listen to some Stockhausen for example. Extreme example, but it does answer your question (depending on what you mean by song).
– 11684
23 hours ago
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I have never seen a composition that does fall into one exact scale all the way through.
– Quintec
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I have never seen a composition that does fall into one exact scale all the way through.
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No, not all songs have to be in a major or minor scale. All that it takes to prove this is to find one example that goes against the rule:
This melody, which has both C♯ and C♮, cannot belong to a single major scale. (It also has both F♯ and F♮.)
Most songs, however, do have what we call a tonic. This is a pitch center, a "home base" or sorts, to which most songs will return. However, all pitches in a song do not have to belong to a member of the tonic pitch's scale.
The pitches that belong to the tonic scale are what we call diatonic pitches. Chromatic pitches are pitches that don't belong to the tonic scale, and they are very, very common.
A song can certainly have random notes that don't below to the tonic's major or minor scale, but often there is an underlying logic to which pitches are used. Thus the pitches aren't "random," but often have some function that relates to the sounding pitches.
Your question is well-formed and a good one, but I will make one correction: "Can a song have random notes that belong to any major or minor scale?" The fact is that any pitch will belong to some major or minor scale (however theoretical), so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
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so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)
– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
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But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
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C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
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@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
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It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
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The answer is basically you can do what you want, nothing has to be anything in music.
The less trivial answer depends a bit on what you mean. Pieces generally are not described as being in a scale. They are often described as being in a key which has a scale associated with it, but any piece that's more than a simple tune will certainly have notes that are not in the scale associated with the key. Take for example the second note of Beethoven's Für Elise - the piece is in the key of A minor, the second note is a D-sharp. D-sharp is not part of the A-minor scale, but the piece is clearly in A-minor.
It's also possible for a piece not to be in a key, or for the key it is in to be ambiguous. 19th century European music has many example of pieces where the key is difficult to pin down as the composer exploits ambiguity in tonal relationships. A classic example is the first song in Robert Schumann's song cycle Dicterliebe — Im wunderschönen Monat Mai. The key signature has three sharps suggesting A major or F-sharp minor, but it neither begins nor ends on one of those chords and most of the piece shifts between tonalities.
In the 20th century, of course, we get works from a lot of composers including those of the New Viennese School, like Schoenberg and Webern, that explicitly avoids any association with keys writing music described as atonal. You also find microtonal which truly has notes that are not part of any major or minor scale because the composer is asking for smaller divisions of the octave than major or minor scales can accommodate.
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There are no laws forbidding you to include anything in a composition. Any note is allowed, even "false" notes. Some examples are (I suggest doing some googling):
- Twelve-tone technique
- Microtonality
In some genres of music, the conventions are more rigid in some less. In beginning music theory you will learn about some of these more or less traditional conventions. One example is staying in a certain key or succession of keys: say I, V, IV (example C,G,F). Another example might be staying in a specific scale: say Mixolydian. Learning and knowing how to use these conventions is one part of the handicraft of composing. It might help, or it might hinder depending on where you want to go.
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Do all songs have to be in a major or minor scale?
No, definitely not! Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes to start to get an idea of the possibilities...
every scale has a given set of notes
Hmmm.... I don't think even that's necessarily true - or to put it another way, a scale isn't necessarily only defined as a given set of notes. For example, the blues scale, when played on instruments that allow it, implies bending certain notes within certain ranges - and that can be seen as part of what it means to use that scale.
But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into 1 particular scale?
It depends what you mean. Often when we talk about the scale used by a piece, it's only an approximation of the tonality of the piece, and notes outside the scale are expected.
Outside of that, a piece might use a definite set of notes without a well-known name, or it might not restrict itself to a definite set of notes. Many songs also use sounds with timbres that might make identification of exact pitch uncertain.
And of course, some compositions have one or more obvious key changes - meaning that they move from using one scale to using another.
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There's alot of different types of scales, apart from major and minor. For example: you cannot produce the song, Misirlou in a major or minor scale; you'd have to play it in a special scale called the Phrygian Dominant. And this song, Scarborough Fair, is in Dorian.
But to go to the essence of your question, every song (for the most part) has a certain scale, basically everything you hear on the radio.
There was a study on this on Spotify. Where 66.1% of songs accounted for a major scale, and 33.7% were minor. Which comes out to 99.8% either being in a major and minor scale where the rest 0.2% is other scales or modes (which are also scales btw). 0.2% that seems low. maybe there's a problem in their study. not sure. But regardless, major and minor scales seem to be the most "popular" in western culture.
Similarly, if you look at National Anthems Map. The majority are either in major or minor.
Also there's another study that hooktheory did who analyzed 1300 songs.
Songs may have notes that go outside of a scale from time to time (due to secondary dominants, chromaticism, mode mixing, etc), but the majority of the notes will fall into a certain scale and songs are generally identifiable by their scale/key. That's why musicians spend many hours learning and practicing scales, because they are the basis of music, as both the melody and harmony is derived from a scale. If a song shifts between multiple scales it's called a modulation.
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please explain why you downvoted
– foreyez
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I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
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I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
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Yes, if your intention is to commercialize it. No, if you don't care that no one will ever want to listen to it.
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No, not all songs have to be in a major or minor scale. All that it takes to prove this is to find one example that goes against the rule:
This melody, which has both C♯ and C♮, cannot belong to a single major scale. (It also has both F♯ and F♮.)
Most songs, however, do have what we call a tonic. This is a pitch center, a "home base" or sorts, to which most songs will return. However, all pitches in a song do not have to belong to a member of the tonic pitch's scale.
The pitches that belong to the tonic scale are what we call diatonic pitches. Chromatic pitches are pitches that don't belong to the tonic scale, and they are very, very common.
A song can certainly have random notes that don't below to the tonic's major or minor scale, but often there is an underlying logic to which pitches are used. Thus the pitches aren't "random," but often have some function that relates to the sounding pitches.
Your question is well-formed and a good one, but I will make one correction: "Can a song have random notes that belong to any major or minor scale?" The fact is that any pitch will belong to some major or minor scale (however theoretical), so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
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so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)
– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
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But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
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C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
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@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
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It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
9 hours ago
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No, not all songs have to be in a major or minor scale. All that it takes to prove this is to find one example that goes against the rule:
This melody, which has both C♯ and C♮, cannot belong to a single major scale. (It also has both F♯ and F♮.)
Most songs, however, do have what we call a tonic. This is a pitch center, a "home base" or sorts, to which most songs will return. However, all pitches in a song do not have to belong to a member of the tonic pitch's scale.
The pitches that belong to the tonic scale are what we call diatonic pitches. Chromatic pitches are pitches that don't belong to the tonic scale, and they are very, very common.
A song can certainly have random notes that don't below to the tonic's major or minor scale, but often there is an underlying logic to which pitches are used. Thus the pitches aren't "random," but often have some function that relates to the sounding pitches.
Your question is well-formed and a good one, but I will make one correction: "Can a song have random notes that belong to any major or minor scale?" The fact is that any pitch will belong to some major or minor scale (however theoretical), so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
2
so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)
– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
6
But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
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C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
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@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
3
It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
9 hours ago
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No, not all songs have to be in a major or minor scale. All that it takes to prove this is to find one example that goes against the rule:
This melody, which has both C♯ and C♮, cannot belong to a single major scale. (It also has both F♯ and F♮.)
Most songs, however, do have what we call a tonic. This is a pitch center, a "home base" or sorts, to which most songs will return. However, all pitches in a song do not have to belong to a member of the tonic pitch's scale.
The pitches that belong to the tonic scale are what we call diatonic pitches. Chromatic pitches are pitches that don't belong to the tonic scale, and they are very, very common.
A song can certainly have random notes that don't below to the tonic's major or minor scale, but often there is an underlying logic to which pitches are used. Thus the pitches aren't "random," but often have some function that relates to the sounding pitches.
Your question is well-formed and a good one, but I will make one correction: "Can a song have random notes that belong to any major or minor scale?" The fact is that any pitch will belong to some major or minor scale (however theoretical), so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
No, not all songs have to be in a major or minor scale. All that it takes to prove this is to find one example that goes against the rule:
This melody, which has both C♯ and C♮, cannot belong to a single major scale. (It also has both F♯ and F♮.)
Most songs, however, do have what we call a tonic. This is a pitch center, a "home base" or sorts, to which most songs will return. However, all pitches in a song do not have to belong to a member of the tonic pitch's scale.
The pitches that belong to the tonic scale are what we call diatonic pitches. Chromatic pitches are pitches that don't belong to the tonic scale, and they are very, very common.
A song can certainly have random notes that don't below to the tonic's major or minor scale, but often there is an underlying logic to which pitches are used. Thus the pitches aren't "random," but often have some function that relates to the sounding pitches.
Your question is well-formed and a good one, but I will make one correction: "Can a song have random notes that belong to any major or minor scale?" The fact is that any pitch will belong to some major or minor scale (however theoretical), so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
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so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)
– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
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But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
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C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
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@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
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It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
9 hours ago
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so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)
– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
6
But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
2
C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
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@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
3
It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
9 hours ago
2
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so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
so it's impossible (as I see it) for a note not to belong to any scale.
Sure it can, if it's out of tune ;)– Tobia Tesan
yesterday
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But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
But then that pitch just belongs to a major scale built on an out-of-tune tonic, no? At least, that was my logic.
– Richard
yesterday
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C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
C, C#, F and F# all belong to C#/Db major, don't they? The notes of this melody still don't seem to fit in any major scale, but it's not enough to mention those 4 notes.
– Eric Duminil
23 hours ago
1
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@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
@EricDuminil In my view it is enough to just mention those four notes, because C♯ major doesn't have C♯ and C♮, it has C♯ and B♯; there's a big difference!
– Richard
19 hours ago
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It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
9 hours ago
It would make more sense to say there's no major or minor scale with B-C-C# - two semitones in a row.
– curiousdannii
9 hours ago
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The answer is basically you can do what you want, nothing has to be anything in music.
The less trivial answer depends a bit on what you mean. Pieces generally are not described as being in a scale. They are often described as being in a key which has a scale associated with it, but any piece that's more than a simple tune will certainly have notes that are not in the scale associated with the key. Take for example the second note of Beethoven's Für Elise - the piece is in the key of A minor, the second note is a D-sharp. D-sharp is not part of the A-minor scale, but the piece is clearly in A-minor.
It's also possible for a piece not to be in a key, or for the key it is in to be ambiguous. 19th century European music has many example of pieces where the key is difficult to pin down as the composer exploits ambiguity in tonal relationships. A classic example is the first song in Robert Schumann's song cycle Dicterliebe — Im wunderschönen Monat Mai. The key signature has three sharps suggesting A major or F-sharp minor, but it neither begins nor ends on one of those chords and most of the piece shifts between tonalities.
In the 20th century, of course, we get works from a lot of composers including those of the New Viennese School, like Schoenberg and Webern, that explicitly avoids any association with keys writing music described as atonal. You also find microtonal which truly has notes that are not part of any major or minor scale because the composer is asking for smaller divisions of the octave than major or minor scales can accommodate.
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The answer is basically you can do what you want, nothing has to be anything in music.
The less trivial answer depends a bit on what you mean. Pieces generally are not described as being in a scale. They are often described as being in a key which has a scale associated with it, but any piece that's more than a simple tune will certainly have notes that are not in the scale associated with the key. Take for example the second note of Beethoven's Für Elise - the piece is in the key of A minor, the second note is a D-sharp. D-sharp is not part of the A-minor scale, but the piece is clearly in A-minor.
It's also possible for a piece not to be in a key, or for the key it is in to be ambiguous. 19th century European music has many example of pieces where the key is difficult to pin down as the composer exploits ambiguity in tonal relationships. A classic example is the first song in Robert Schumann's song cycle Dicterliebe — Im wunderschönen Monat Mai. The key signature has three sharps suggesting A major or F-sharp minor, but it neither begins nor ends on one of those chords and most of the piece shifts between tonalities.
In the 20th century, of course, we get works from a lot of composers including those of the New Viennese School, like Schoenberg and Webern, that explicitly avoids any association with keys writing music described as atonal. You also find microtonal which truly has notes that are not part of any major or minor scale because the composer is asking for smaller divisions of the octave than major or minor scales can accommodate.
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The answer is basically you can do what you want, nothing has to be anything in music.
The less trivial answer depends a bit on what you mean. Pieces generally are not described as being in a scale. They are often described as being in a key which has a scale associated with it, but any piece that's more than a simple tune will certainly have notes that are not in the scale associated with the key. Take for example the second note of Beethoven's Für Elise - the piece is in the key of A minor, the second note is a D-sharp. D-sharp is not part of the A-minor scale, but the piece is clearly in A-minor.
It's also possible for a piece not to be in a key, or for the key it is in to be ambiguous. 19th century European music has many example of pieces where the key is difficult to pin down as the composer exploits ambiguity in tonal relationships. A classic example is the first song in Robert Schumann's song cycle Dicterliebe — Im wunderschönen Monat Mai. The key signature has three sharps suggesting A major or F-sharp minor, but it neither begins nor ends on one of those chords and most of the piece shifts between tonalities.
In the 20th century, of course, we get works from a lot of composers including those of the New Viennese School, like Schoenberg and Webern, that explicitly avoids any association with keys writing music described as atonal. You also find microtonal which truly has notes that are not part of any major or minor scale because the composer is asking for smaller divisions of the octave than major or minor scales can accommodate.
The answer is basically you can do what you want, nothing has to be anything in music.
The less trivial answer depends a bit on what you mean. Pieces generally are not described as being in a scale. They are often described as being in a key which has a scale associated with it, but any piece that's more than a simple tune will certainly have notes that are not in the scale associated with the key. Take for example the second note of Beethoven's Für Elise - the piece is in the key of A minor, the second note is a D-sharp. D-sharp is not part of the A-minor scale, but the piece is clearly in A-minor.
It's also possible for a piece not to be in a key, or for the key it is in to be ambiguous. 19th century European music has many example of pieces where the key is difficult to pin down as the composer exploits ambiguity in tonal relationships. A classic example is the first song in Robert Schumann's song cycle Dicterliebe — Im wunderschönen Monat Mai. The key signature has three sharps suggesting A major or F-sharp minor, but it neither begins nor ends on one of those chords and most of the piece shifts between tonalities.
In the 20th century, of course, we get works from a lot of composers including those of the New Viennese School, like Schoenberg and Webern, that explicitly avoids any association with keys writing music described as atonal. You also find microtonal which truly has notes that are not part of any major or minor scale because the composer is asking for smaller divisions of the octave than major or minor scales can accommodate.
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There are no laws forbidding you to include anything in a composition. Any note is allowed, even "false" notes. Some examples are (I suggest doing some googling):
- Twelve-tone technique
- Microtonality
In some genres of music, the conventions are more rigid in some less. In beginning music theory you will learn about some of these more or less traditional conventions. One example is staying in a certain key or succession of keys: say I, V, IV (example C,G,F). Another example might be staying in a specific scale: say Mixolydian. Learning and knowing how to use these conventions is one part of the handicraft of composing. It might help, or it might hinder depending on where you want to go.
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There are no laws forbidding you to include anything in a composition. Any note is allowed, even "false" notes. Some examples are (I suggest doing some googling):
- Twelve-tone technique
- Microtonality
In some genres of music, the conventions are more rigid in some less. In beginning music theory you will learn about some of these more or less traditional conventions. One example is staying in a certain key or succession of keys: say I, V, IV (example C,G,F). Another example might be staying in a specific scale: say Mixolydian. Learning and knowing how to use these conventions is one part of the handicraft of composing. It might help, or it might hinder depending on where you want to go.
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There are no laws forbidding you to include anything in a composition. Any note is allowed, even "false" notes. Some examples are (I suggest doing some googling):
- Twelve-tone technique
- Microtonality
In some genres of music, the conventions are more rigid in some less. In beginning music theory you will learn about some of these more or less traditional conventions. One example is staying in a certain key or succession of keys: say I, V, IV (example C,G,F). Another example might be staying in a specific scale: say Mixolydian. Learning and knowing how to use these conventions is one part of the handicraft of composing. It might help, or it might hinder depending on where you want to go.
There are no laws forbidding you to include anything in a composition. Any note is allowed, even "false" notes. Some examples are (I suggest doing some googling):
- Twelve-tone technique
- Microtonality
In some genres of music, the conventions are more rigid in some less. In beginning music theory you will learn about some of these more or less traditional conventions. One example is staying in a certain key or succession of keys: say I, V, IV (example C,G,F). Another example might be staying in a specific scale: say Mixolydian. Learning and knowing how to use these conventions is one part of the handicraft of composing. It might help, or it might hinder depending on where you want to go.
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Do all songs have to be in a major or minor scale?
No, definitely not! Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes to start to get an idea of the possibilities...
every scale has a given set of notes
Hmmm.... I don't think even that's necessarily true - or to put it another way, a scale isn't necessarily only defined as a given set of notes. For example, the blues scale, when played on instruments that allow it, implies bending certain notes within certain ranges - and that can be seen as part of what it means to use that scale.
But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into 1 particular scale?
It depends what you mean. Often when we talk about the scale used by a piece, it's only an approximation of the tonality of the piece, and notes outside the scale are expected.
Outside of that, a piece might use a definite set of notes without a well-known name, or it might not restrict itself to a definite set of notes. Many songs also use sounds with timbres that might make identification of exact pitch uncertain.
And of course, some compositions have one or more obvious key changes - meaning that they move from using one scale to using another.
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Do all songs have to be in a major or minor scale?
No, definitely not! Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes to start to get an idea of the possibilities...
every scale has a given set of notes
Hmmm.... I don't think even that's necessarily true - or to put it another way, a scale isn't necessarily only defined as a given set of notes. For example, the blues scale, when played on instruments that allow it, implies bending certain notes within certain ranges - and that can be seen as part of what it means to use that scale.
But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into 1 particular scale?
It depends what you mean. Often when we talk about the scale used by a piece, it's only an approximation of the tonality of the piece, and notes outside the scale are expected.
Outside of that, a piece might use a definite set of notes without a well-known name, or it might not restrict itself to a definite set of notes. Many songs also use sounds with timbres that might make identification of exact pitch uncertain.
And of course, some compositions have one or more obvious key changes - meaning that they move from using one scale to using another.
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Do all songs have to be in a major or minor scale?
No, definitely not! Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes to start to get an idea of the possibilities...
every scale has a given set of notes
Hmmm.... I don't think even that's necessarily true - or to put it another way, a scale isn't necessarily only defined as a given set of notes. For example, the blues scale, when played on instruments that allow it, implies bending certain notes within certain ranges - and that can be seen as part of what it means to use that scale.
But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into 1 particular scale?
It depends what you mean. Often when we talk about the scale used by a piece, it's only an approximation of the tonality of the piece, and notes outside the scale are expected.
Outside of that, a piece might use a definite set of notes without a well-known name, or it might not restrict itself to a definite set of notes. Many songs also use sounds with timbres that might make identification of exact pitch uncertain.
And of course, some compositions have one or more obvious key changes - meaning that they move from using one scale to using another.
Do all songs have to be in a major or minor scale?
No, definitely not! Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes to start to get an idea of the possibilities...
every scale has a given set of notes
Hmmm.... I don't think even that's necessarily true - or to put it another way, a scale isn't necessarily only defined as a given set of notes. For example, the blues scale, when played on instruments that allow it, implies bending certain notes within certain ranges - and that can be seen as part of what it means to use that scale.
But is it possible that there's a composition which doesn't fall into 1 particular scale?
It depends what you mean. Often when we talk about the scale used by a piece, it's only an approximation of the tonality of the piece, and notes outside the scale are expected.
Outside of that, a piece might use a definite set of notes without a well-known name, or it might not restrict itself to a definite set of notes. Many songs also use sounds with timbres that might make identification of exact pitch uncertain.
And of course, some compositions have one or more obvious key changes - meaning that they move from using one scale to using another.
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There's alot of different types of scales, apart from major and minor. For example: you cannot produce the song, Misirlou in a major or minor scale; you'd have to play it in a special scale called the Phrygian Dominant. And this song, Scarborough Fair, is in Dorian.
But to go to the essence of your question, every song (for the most part) has a certain scale, basically everything you hear on the radio.
There was a study on this on Spotify. Where 66.1% of songs accounted for a major scale, and 33.7% were minor. Which comes out to 99.8% either being in a major and minor scale where the rest 0.2% is other scales or modes (which are also scales btw). 0.2% that seems low. maybe there's a problem in their study. not sure. But regardless, major and minor scales seem to be the most "popular" in western culture.
Similarly, if you look at National Anthems Map. The majority are either in major or minor.
Also there's another study that hooktheory did who analyzed 1300 songs.
Songs may have notes that go outside of a scale from time to time (due to secondary dominants, chromaticism, mode mixing, etc), but the majority of the notes will fall into a certain scale and songs are generally identifiable by their scale/key. That's why musicians spend many hours learning and practicing scales, because they are the basis of music, as both the melody and harmony is derived from a scale. If a song shifts between multiple scales it's called a modulation.
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– foreyez
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I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
yesterday
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I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
– David Bowling
11 hours ago
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There's alot of different types of scales, apart from major and minor. For example: you cannot produce the song, Misirlou in a major or minor scale; you'd have to play it in a special scale called the Phrygian Dominant. And this song, Scarborough Fair, is in Dorian.
But to go to the essence of your question, every song (for the most part) has a certain scale, basically everything you hear on the radio.
There was a study on this on Spotify. Where 66.1% of songs accounted for a major scale, and 33.7% were minor. Which comes out to 99.8% either being in a major and minor scale where the rest 0.2% is other scales or modes (which are also scales btw). 0.2% that seems low. maybe there's a problem in their study. not sure. But regardless, major and minor scales seem to be the most "popular" in western culture.
Similarly, if you look at National Anthems Map. The majority are either in major or minor.
Also there's another study that hooktheory did who analyzed 1300 songs.
Songs may have notes that go outside of a scale from time to time (due to secondary dominants, chromaticism, mode mixing, etc), but the majority of the notes will fall into a certain scale and songs are generally identifiable by their scale/key. That's why musicians spend many hours learning and practicing scales, because they are the basis of music, as both the melody and harmony is derived from a scale. If a song shifts between multiple scales it's called a modulation.
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– foreyez
yesterday
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I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
yesterday
1
I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
– David Bowling
11 hours ago
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There's alot of different types of scales, apart from major and minor. For example: you cannot produce the song, Misirlou in a major or minor scale; you'd have to play it in a special scale called the Phrygian Dominant. And this song, Scarborough Fair, is in Dorian.
But to go to the essence of your question, every song (for the most part) has a certain scale, basically everything you hear on the radio.
There was a study on this on Spotify. Where 66.1% of songs accounted for a major scale, and 33.7% were minor. Which comes out to 99.8% either being in a major and minor scale where the rest 0.2% is other scales or modes (which are also scales btw). 0.2% that seems low. maybe there's a problem in their study. not sure. But regardless, major and minor scales seem to be the most "popular" in western culture.
Similarly, if you look at National Anthems Map. The majority are either in major or minor.
Also there's another study that hooktheory did who analyzed 1300 songs.
Songs may have notes that go outside of a scale from time to time (due to secondary dominants, chromaticism, mode mixing, etc), but the majority of the notes will fall into a certain scale and songs are generally identifiable by their scale/key. That's why musicians spend many hours learning and practicing scales, because they are the basis of music, as both the melody and harmony is derived from a scale. If a song shifts between multiple scales it's called a modulation.
There's alot of different types of scales, apart from major and minor. For example: you cannot produce the song, Misirlou in a major or minor scale; you'd have to play it in a special scale called the Phrygian Dominant. And this song, Scarborough Fair, is in Dorian.
But to go to the essence of your question, every song (for the most part) has a certain scale, basically everything you hear on the radio.
There was a study on this on Spotify. Where 66.1% of songs accounted for a major scale, and 33.7% were minor. Which comes out to 99.8% either being in a major and minor scale where the rest 0.2% is other scales or modes (which are also scales btw). 0.2% that seems low. maybe there's a problem in their study. not sure. But regardless, major and minor scales seem to be the most "popular" in western culture.
Similarly, if you look at National Anthems Map. The majority are either in major or minor.
Also there's another study that hooktheory did who analyzed 1300 songs.
Songs may have notes that go outside of a scale from time to time (due to secondary dominants, chromaticism, mode mixing, etc), but the majority of the notes will fall into a certain scale and songs are generally identifiable by their scale/key. That's why musicians spend many hours learning and practicing scales, because they are the basis of music, as both the melody and harmony is derived from a scale. If a song shifts between multiple scales it's called a modulation.
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please explain why you downvoted
– foreyez
yesterday
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I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
yesterday
1
I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
– David Bowling
11 hours ago
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please explain why you downvoted
– foreyez
yesterday
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I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
yesterday
1
I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
– David Bowling
11 hours ago
1
1
please explain why you downvoted
– foreyez
yesterday
please explain why you downvoted
– foreyez
yesterday
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I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
yesterday
I'd bet a lot of songs covered in the Spotify study were in a minor key but didn't fit in any one of the harmonic/melodic/natural minor scales, or were in a major key but didn't exclusively use one major scale.
– Dekkadeci
yesterday
1
1
I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
I see 66.1% major and 33.7% minor, for a discrepancy of 0.2%. There is no suggestion on the linked page that "other scales or modes" account for the discrepancy, which is well within the range of rounding errors in the data reporting. Further, the page does not say that these percentages apply to major scale vs. minor scale usage, but to key signatures. Major scales and major keys are not the same thing.
– David Bowling
17 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
@DavidBowling ok I fixed it to 66.1. and I agree something is fishy about that study. I would suspect modes and other scales to account for about 10% or so of music atleast. no? :P
– foreyez
15 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
– David Bowling
11 hours ago
The study might consider, e.g. a song in Dorian to be in a minor key, or a song in Lydian to be in a major key. I don't know what the percentages should be, but a fair amount of rock, pop, and hip-hop can be thought of as modal, so I'm guessing that this is the case.
– David Bowling
11 hours ago
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You should really listen to some Stockhausen for example. Extreme example, but it does answer your question (depending on what you mean by song).
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I have never seen a composition that does fall into one exact scale all the way through.
– Quintec
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