Did I make a major mistake on my garage shelves?
I built garage shelves using Grip Rite construction screws (photo of box below). Only afterwards did I notice the statement about "non-structural" use.
Did I make a major mistake? Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
FWIW, I also used wood glue (Titlebond II) to attach the shelves to the posts.
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I built garage shelves using Grip Rite construction screws (photo of box below). Only afterwards did I notice the statement about "non-structural" use.
Did I make a major mistake? Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
FWIW, I also used wood glue (Titlebond II) to attach the shelves to the posts.
woodworking shelving
edited yesterday
David Richerby
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If I understand your photo right. the weight of the middle shelf is held by the shear strength of the screws and glue. I think you would have a strength improvement if you glued/screwed some additional struts so that the shelf was held up by longitudinal sections of wood (even small ones)
– Douglas Held
2 days ago
the glue will probably provide more shear strength to the joint than the screws would, but the screws can probably take ~100lbs shear each anyway.
– Zac Faragher
yesterday
It has king studs but it's missing its cripples : "held up by longitudinal sections of wood"
– Mazura
yesterday
I've built shelves the same way, it is plenty strong for what it is. You wouldn't want to build say a deck like this, thus the warning on the screws.
– Greg H
yesterday
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I built garage shelves using Grip Rite construction screws (photo of box below). Only afterwards did I notice the statement about "non-structural" use.
Did I make a major mistake? Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
FWIW, I also used wood glue (Titlebond II) to attach the shelves to the posts.
woodworking shelving
edited yesterday
David Richerby
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asked 2 days ago
BillBill
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I built garage shelves using Grip Rite construction screws (photo of box below). Only afterwards did I notice the statement about "non-structural" use.
Did I make a major mistake? Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
FWIW, I also used wood glue (Titlebond II) to attach the shelves to the posts.
woodworking shelving
woodworking shelving
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If I understand your photo right. the weight of the middle shelf is held by the shear strength of the screws and glue. I think you would have a strength improvement if you glued/screwed some additional struts so that the shelf was held up by longitudinal sections of wood (even small ones)
– Douglas Held
2 days ago
the glue will probably provide more shear strength to the joint than the screws would, but the screws can probably take ~100lbs shear each anyway.
– Zac Faragher
yesterday
It has king studs but it's missing its cripples : "held up by longitudinal sections of wood"
– Mazura
yesterday
I've built shelves the same way, it is plenty strong for what it is. You wouldn't want to build say a deck like this, thus the warning on the screws.
– Greg H
yesterday
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If I understand your photo right. the weight of the middle shelf is held by the shear strength of the screws and glue. I think you would have a strength improvement if you glued/screwed some additional struts so that the shelf was held up by longitudinal sections of wood (even small ones)
– Douglas Held
2 days ago
the glue will probably provide more shear strength to the joint than the screws would, but the screws can probably take ~100lbs shear each anyway.
– Zac Faragher
yesterday
It has king studs but it's missing its cripples : "held up by longitudinal sections of wood"
– Mazura
yesterday
I've built shelves the same way, it is plenty strong for what it is. You wouldn't want to build say a deck like this, thus the warning on the screws.
– Greg H
yesterday
2
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If I understand your photo right. the weight of the middle shelf is held by the shear strength of the screws and glue. I think you would have a strength improvement if you glued/screwed some additional struts so that the shelf was held up by longitudinal sections of wood (even small ones)
– Douglas Held
2 days ago
If I understand your photo right. the weight of the middle shelf is held by the shear strength of the screws and glue. I think you would have a strength improvement if you glued/screwed some additional struts so that the shelf was held up by longitudinal sections of wood (even small ones)
– Douglas Held
2 days ago
the glue will probably provide more shear strength to the joint than the screws would, but the screws can probably take ~100lbs shear each anyway.
– Zac Faragher
yesterday
the glue will probably provide more shear strength to the joint than the screws would, but the screws can probably take ~100lbs shear each anyway.
– Zac Faragher
yesterday
It has king studs but it's missing its cripples : "held up by longitudinal sections of wood"
– Mazura
yesterday
It has king studs but it's missing its cripples : "held up by longitudinal sections of wood"
– Mazura
yesterday
I've built shelves the same way, it is plenty strong for what it is. You wouldn't want to build say a deck like this, thus the warning on the screws.
– Greg H
yesterday
I've built shelves the same way, it is plenty strong for what it is. You wouldn't want to build say a deck like this, thus the warning on the screws.
– Greg H
yesterday
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"Structural" applies to load-bearing walls and the like. I think you're safe. From what i can tell in the picture, unless you're storing engine blocks on them, you should be fine.
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I think generally, shelves are non-structural. Structural use is building a house.
Although I bet those 2 could use your good-looking shelves as a sweet fort structure! That doesn't count.
My idea: let those 2 paint the shelves. They go to the paint store and each one picks his / her color. The boy gets the vertical pieces. Then when those dry, the girl gets the big flat areas. You can turn it sideways for her turn. Whenever they see those shelves as they grow up, they will be the shelves they painted.
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WillkWillk
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Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
2
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
3
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
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Did I make a major mistake?
No, non-structural screws are suitable for the shelves in the photo. 2×4s and wood screws support millions of shelves in garages around the world.
Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
Only if you're paranoid, or there'll be extra-heavy stuff. Based on this calculator and some conservative assumptions, each screw will support 50 pounds after the glue fails.
Your confusion comes from engineers having a more specific definition of "structure" than anyone else. To an engineer, "structural" means it supports loads as dictated by the relevant building code. Shelves also have loads, but nobody regulates the design of your homemade shelving.
answered 21 hours ago
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Why risk it? Usually shelves get over stacked with time. So reinforce them now to avoid possible crashes in the future. Do it right the first time.
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"Structural" applies to load-bearing walls and the like. I think you're safe. From what i can tell in the picture, unless you're storing engine blocks on them, you should be fine.
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"Structural" applies to load-bearing walls and the like. I think you're safe. From what i can tell in the picture, unless you're storing engine blocks on them, you should be fine.
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I think generally, shelves are non-structural. Structural use is building a house.
Although I bet those 2 could use your good-looking shelves as a sweet fort structure! That doesn't count.
My idea: let those 2 paint the shelves. They go to the paint store and each one picks his / her color. The boy gets the vertical pieces. Then when those dry, the girl gets the big flat areas. You can turn it sideways for her turn. Whenever they see those shelves as they grow up, they will be the shelves they painted.
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
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Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
2
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
3
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
add a comment |
I think generally, shelves are non-structural. Structural use is building a house.
Although I bet those 2 could use your good-looking shelves as a sweet fort structure! That doesn't count.
My idea: let those 2 paint the shelves. They go to the paint store and each one picks his / her color. The boy gets the vertical pieces. Then when those dry, the girl gets the big flat areas. You can turn it sideways for her turn. Whenever they see those shelves as they grow up, they will be the shelves they painted.
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
2264
2
Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
2
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
3
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
add a comment |
I think generally, shelves are non-structural. Structural use is building a house.
Although I bet those 2 could use your good-looking shelves as a sweet fort structure! That doesn't count.
My idea: let those 2 paint the shelves. They go to the paint store and each one picks his / her color. The boy gets the vertical pieces. Then when those dry, the girl gets the big flat areas. You can turn it sideways for her turn. Whenever they see those shelves as they grow up, they will be the shelves they painted.
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
2264
I think generally, shelves are non-structural. Structural use is building a house.
Although I bet those 2 could use your good-looking shelves as a sweet fort structure! That doesn't count.
My idea: let those 2 paint the shelves. They go to the paint store and each one picks his / her color. The boy gets the vertical pieces. Then when those dry, the girl gets the big flat areas. You can turn it sideways for her turn. Whenever they see those shelves as they grow up, they will be the shelves they painted.
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
2264
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
2264
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
2264
answered 2 days ago
WillkWillk
2264
2264
2
Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
2
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
3
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
add a comment |
2
Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
2
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
3
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
2
2
Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
Nice idea about the painting, I love it :-)
– Michaël Polla
2 days ago
2
2
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
Great idea! Thanks for the suggestion. :)
– Bill
2 days ago
3
3
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
Well I guess we know what Tom Sawyer's account name is now.
– Dan Neely
2 days ago
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Did I make a major mistake?
No, non-structural screws are suitable for the shelves in the photo. 2×4s and wood screws support millions of shelves in garages around the world.
Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
Only if you're paranoid, or there'll be extra-heavy stuff. Based on this calculator and some conservative assumptions, each screw will support 50 pounds after the glue fails.
Your confusion comes from engineers having a more specific definition of "structure" than anyone else. To an engineer, "structural" means it supports loads as dictated by the relevant building code. Shelves also have loads, but nobody regulates the design of your homemade shelving.
answered 21 hours ago
Spencer JoplinSpencer Joplin
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Did I make a major mistake?
No, non-structural screws are suitable for the shelves in the photo. 2×4s and wood screws support millions of shelves in garages around the world.
Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
Only if you're paranoid, or there'll be extra-heavy stuff. Based on this calculator and some conservative assumptions, each screw will support 50 pounds after the glue fails.
Your confusion comes from engineers having a more specific definition of "structure" than anyone else. To an engineer, "structural" means it supports loads as dictated by the relevant building code. Shelves also have loads, but nobody regulates the design of your homemade shelving.
answered 21 hours ago
Spencer JoplinSpencer Joplin
32328
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Did I make a major mistake?
No, non-structural screws are suitable for the shelves in the photo. 2×4s and wood screws support millions of shelves in garages around the world.
Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
Only if you're paranoid, or there'll be extra-heavy stuff. Based on this calculator and some conservative assumptions, each screw will support 50 pounds after the glue fails.
Your confusion comes from engineers having a more specific definition of "structure" than anyone else. To an engineer, "structural" means it supports loads as dictated by the relevant building code. Shelves also have loads, but nobody regulates the design of your homemade shelving.
answered 21 hours ago
Spencer JoplinSpencer Joplin
32328
Did I make a major mistake?
No, non-structural screws are suitable for the shelves in the photo. 2×4s and wood screws support millions of shelves in garages around the world.
Should I get some stronger screws to attach the beams to the posts?
Only if you're paranoid, or there'll be extra-heavy stuff. Based on this calculator and some conservative assumptions, each screw will support 50 pounds after the glue fails.
Your confusion comes from engineers having a more specific definition of "structure" than anyone else. To an engineer, "structural" means it supports loads as dictated by the relevant building code. Shelves also have loads, but nobody regulates the design of your homemade shelving.
answered 21 hours ago
Spencer JoplinSpencer Joplin
32328
answered 21 hours ago
Spencer JoplinSpencer Joplin
32328
answered 21 hours ago
Spencer JoplinSpencer Joplin
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answered 21 hours ago
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Why risk it? Usually shelves get over stacked with time. So reinforce them now to avoid possible crashes in the future. Do it right the first time.
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Why risk it? Usually shelves get over stacked with time. So reinforce them now to avoid possible crashes in the future. Do it right the first time.
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Why risk it? Usually shelves get over stacked with time. So reinforce them now to avoid possible crashes in the future. Do it right the first time.
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Why risk it? Usually shelves get over stacked with time. So reinforce them now to avoid possible crashes in the future. Do it right the first time.
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If I understand your photo right. the weight of the middle shelf is held by the shear strength of the screws and glue. I think you would have a strength improvement if you glued/screwed some additional struts so that the shelf was held up by longitudinal sections of wood (even small ones)
– Douglas Held
2 days ago
the glue will probably provide more shear strength to the joint than the screws would, but the screws can probably take ~100lbs shear each anyway.
– Zac Faragher
yesterday
It has king studs but it's missing its cripples : "held up by longitudinal sections of wood"
– Mazura
yesterday
I've built shelves the same way, it is plenty strong for what it is. You wouldn't want to build say a deck like this, thus the warning on the screws.
– Greg H
yesterday