What functions can be made continuous by “mixing up their domain”?












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Definition. A function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ will be called potentially continuous if there is a bijection $phi:Bbb RtoBbb R$ so that $fcirc phi$ is continuous.




So one could say a potentially continuous (p.c.) function is "a continuous function with a mixed up domain". I was wondering whether there is an easy way to characterize such functions.





Some thoughts $DeclareMathOperator{im}{im}$




  • If the image $im(f)$ is not connected (i.e. no interval), then $f$ is not p.c. because even mixing the domain cannot make $f$ satisfy the intermediate value theorem.

  • Bijective functions are always p.c. because we can choose $phi=f^{-1}$. Every injective function with an open connected image is p.c. for a similar reason. However, only having a connected image is not enough, as e.g. there are bijections, but no continuous bijections $f:Bbb R to [0,1]$.

  • Initially I thought a function can never be p.c. if it attains every value (or at least uncountably many values) uncountably often, e.g. like Conways base 13 function. But then I discovered this: take a Peano curve like function $c$ (or any other continuous surjection $Bbb RtoBbb R^2$) and only look at the $x$-component $c_x:Bbb RtoBbb R$. This is a continuous function which attains every value uncountably often.

  • The question can also be asked this way. Given a family of pairs $(r_i,kappa_i),iin I$ of real numbers $r_i$ and cardinal numbers $kappa_ilemathfrak c$ so that ${r_imid iin I}$ is connected. Can we find a continuous function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ with $|f^{-1}(r_i)|=kappa_i$?

  • There is no continuous function which attains each real number exactly once except zero which is attained twice. So, e.g. the function
    $$f(x)=begin{cases}x-1&text{for $xinBbb N$}\x&text{otherwise}end{cases}$$
    is not p.c., even though its image is all of $Bbb R$.










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    (+1) Interesting question. My bet is that any function with a connected range is potentially continuous.
    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Oct 20 '17 at 21:43






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    If $f^{-1}(0) = {a,b}$, and $f$ injective on $(a,b)$, then $f$ is strictly increasing or decreasing on $(a,b)$, so $f(a) ne f(b)$, contradiction.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Oct 21 '17 at 0:41






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    It might be a good idea to first answer the question in the case when $vert f^{-1}(x)vertle 2$ for all $x$ ...
    – Noah Schweber
    Oct 21 '17 at 2:03






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    My answers to math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441063/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/1439689/… address some special cases of this, and suggest the question is fairly complicated to answer even in the case that all the fibers are finite.
    – Eric Wofsey
    Oct 21 '17 at 4:56






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    Is every Darboux function potentially continuous ?
    – adityaguharoy
    Dec 18 '17 at 15:50
















102















Definition. A function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ will be called potentially continuous if there is a bijection $phi:Bbb RtoBbb R$ so that $fcirc phi$ is continuous.




So one could say a potentially continuous (p.c.) function is "a continuous function with a mixed up domain". I was wondering whether there is an easy way to characterize such functions.





Some thoughts $DeclareMathOperator{im}{im}$




  • If the image $im(f)$ is not connected (i.e. no interval), then $f$ is not p.c. because even mixing the domain cannot make $f$ satisfy the intermediate value theorem.

  • Bijective functions are always p.c. because we can choose $phi=f^{-1}$. Every injective function with an open connected image is p.c. for a similar reason. However, only having a connected image is not enough, as e.g. there are bijections, but no continuous bijections $f:Bbb R to [0,1]$.

  • Initially I thought a function can never be p.c. if it attains every value (or at least uncountably many values) uncountably often, e.g. like Conways base 13 function. But then I discovered this: take a Peano curve like function $c$ (or any other continuous surjection $Bbb RtoBbb R^2$) and only look at the $x$-component $c_x:Bbb RtoBbb R$. This is a continuous function which attains every value uncountably often.

  • The question can also be asked this way. Given a family of pairs $(r_i,kappa_i),iin I$ of real numbers $r_i$ and cardinal numbers $kappa_ilemathfrak c$ so that ${r_imid iin I}$ is connected. Can we find a continuous function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ with $|f^{-1}(r_i)|=kappa_i$?

  • There is no continuous function which attains each real number exactly once except zero which is attained twice. So, e.g. the function
    $$f(x)=begin{cases}x-1&text{for $xinBbb N$}\x&text{otherwise}end{cases}$$
    is not p.c., even though its image is all of $Bbb R$.










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  • 6




    (+1) Interesting question. My bet is that any function with a connected range is potentially continuous.
    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Oct 20 '17 at 21:43






  • 1




    If $f^{-1}(0) = {a,b}$, and $f$ injective on $(a,b)$, then $f$ is strictly increasing or decreasing on $(a,b)$, so $f(a) ne f(b)$, contradiction.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Oct 21 '17 at 0:41






  • 1




    It might be a good idea to first answer the question in the case when $vert f^{-1}(x)vertle 2$ for all $x$ ...
    – Noah Schweber
    Oct 21 '17 at 2:03






  • 1




    My answers to math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441063/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/1439689/… address some special cases of this, and suggest the question is fairly complicated to answer even in the case that all the fibers are finite.
    – Eric Wofsey
    Oct 21 '17 at 4:56






  • 2




    Is every Darboux function potentially continuous ?
    – adityaguharoy
    Dec 18 '17 at 15:50














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Definition. A function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ will be called potentially continuous if there is a bijection $phi:Bbb RtoBbb R$ so that $fcirc phi$ is continuous.




So one could say a potentially continuous (p.c.) function is "a continuous function with a mixed up domain". I was wondering whether there is an easy way to characterize such functions.





Some thoughts $DeclareMathOperator{im}{im}$




  • If the image $im(f)$ is not connected (i.e. no interval), then $f$ is not p.c. because even mixing the domain cannot make $f$ satisfy the intermediate value theorem.

  • Bijective functions are always p.c. because we can choose $phi=f^{-1}$. Every injective function with an open connected image is p.c. for a similar reason. However, only having a connected image is not enough, as e.g. there are bijections, but no continuous bijections $f:Bbb R to [0,1]$.

  • Initially I thought a function can never be p.c. if it attains every value (or at least uncountably many values) uncountably often, e.g. like Conways base 13 function. But then I discovered this: take a Peano curve like function $c$ (or any other continuous surjection $Bbb RtoBbb R^2$) and only look at the $x$-component $c_x:Bbb RtoBbb R$. This is a continuous function which attains every value uncountably often.

  • The question can also be asked this way. Given a family of pairs $(r_i,kappa_i),iin I$ of real numbers $r_i$ and cardinal numbers $kappa_ilemathfrak c$ so that ${r_imid iin I}$ is connected. Can we find a continuous function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ with $|f^{-1}(r_i)|=kappa_i$?

  • There is no continuous function which attains each real number exactly once except zero which is attained twice. So, e.g. the function
    $$f(x)=begin{cases}x-1&text{for $xinBbb N$}\x&text{otherwise}end{cases}$$
    is not p.c., even though its image is all of $Bbb R$.










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Definition. A function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ will be called potentially continuous if there is a bijection $phi:Bbb RtoBbb R$ so that $fcirc phi$ is continuous.




So one could say a potentially continuous (p.c.) function is "a continuous function with a mixed up domain". I was wondering whether there is an easy way to characterize such functions.





Some thoughts $DeclareMathOperator{im}{im}$




  • If the image $im(f)$ is not connected (i.e. no interval), then $f$ is not p.c. because even mixing the domain cannot make $f$ satisfy the intermediate value theorem.

  • Bijective functions are always p.c. because we can choose $phi=f^{-1}$. Every injective function with an open connected image is p.c. for a similar reason. However, only having a connected image is not enough, as e.g. there are bijections, but no continuous bijections $f:Bbb R to [0,1]$.

  • Initially I thought a function can never be p.c. if it attains every value (or at least uncountably many values) uncountably often, e.g. like Conways base 13 function. But then I discovered this: take a Peano curve like function $c$ (or any other continuous surjection $Bbb RtoBbb R^2$) and only look at the $x$-component $c_x:Bbb RtoBbb R$. This is a continuous function which attains every value uncountably often.

  • The question can also be asked this way. Given a family of pairs $(r_i,kappa_i),iin I$ of real numbers $r_i$ and cardinal numbers $kappa_ilemathfrak c$ so that ${r_imid iin I}$ is connected. Can we find a continuous function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ with $|f^{-1}(r_i)|=kappa_i$?

  • There is no continuous function which attains each real number exactly once except zero which is attained twice. So, e.g. the function
    $$f(x)=begin{cases}x-1&text{for $xinBbb N$}\x&text{otherwise}end{cases}$$
    is not p.c., even though its image is all of $Bbb R$.







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  • 6




    (+1) Interesting question. My bet is that any function with a connected range is potentially continuous.
    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Oct 20 '17 at 21:43






  • 1




    If $f^{-1}(0) = {a,b}$, and $f$ injective on $(a,b)$, then $f$ is strictly increasing or decreasing on $(a,b)$, so $f(a) ne f(b)$, contradiction.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Oct 21 '17 at 0:41






  • 1




    It might be a good idea to first answer the question in the case when $vert f^{-1}(x)vertle 2$ for all $x$ ...
    – Noah Schweber
    Oct 21 '17 at 2:03






  • 1




    My answers to math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441063/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/1439689/… address some special cases of this, and suggest the question is fairly complicated to answer even in the case that all the fibers are finite.
    – Eric Wofsey
    Oct 21 '17 at 4:56






  • 2




    Is every Darboux function potentially continuous ?
    – adityaguharoy
    Dec 18 '17 at 15:50














  • 6




    (+1) Interesting question. My bet is that any function with a connected range is potentially continuous.
    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Oct 20 '17 at 21:43






  • 1




    If $f^{-1}(0) = {a,b}$, and $f$ injective on $(a,b)$, then $f$ is strictly increasing or decreasing on $(a,b)$, so $f(a) ne f(b)$, contradiction.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Oct 21 '17 at 0:41






  • 1




    It might be a good idea to first answer the question in the case when $vert f^{-1}(x)vertle 2$ for all $x$ ...
    – Noah Schweber
    Oct 21 '17 at 2:03






  • 1




    My answers to math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441063/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/1439689/… address some special cases of this, and suggest the question is fairly complicated to answer even in the case that all the fibers are finite.
    – Eric Wofsey
    Oct 21 '17 at 4:56






  • 2




    Is every Darboux function potentially continuous ?
    – adityaguharoy
    Dec 18 '17 at 15:50








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(+1) Interesting question. My bet is that any function with a connected range is potentially continuous.
– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 20 '17 at 21:43




(+1) Interesting question. My bet is that any function with a connected range is potentially continuous.
– Jack D'Aurizio
Oct 20 '17 at 21:43




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If $f^{-1}(0) = {a,b}$, and $f$ injective on $(a,b)$, then $f$ is strictly increasing or decreasing on $(a,b)$, so $f(a) ne f(b)$, contradiction.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Oct 21 '17 at 0:41




If $f^{-1}(0) = {a,b}$, and $f$ injective on $(a,b)$, then $f$ is strictly increasing or decreasing on $(a,b)$, so $f(a) ne f(b)$, contradiction.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Oct 21 '17 at 0:41




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It might be a good idea to first answer the question in the case when $vert f^{-1}(x)vertle 2$ for all $x$ ...
– Noah Schweber
Oct 21 '17 at 2:03




It might be a good idea to first answer the question in the case when $vert f^{-1}(x)vertle 2$ for all $x$ ...
– Noah Schweber
Oct 21 '17 at 2:03




1




1




My answers to math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441063/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/1439689/… address some special cases of this, and suggest the question is fairly complicated to answer even in the case that all the fibers are finite.
– Eric Wofsey
Oct 21 '17 at 4:56




My answers to math.stackexchange.com/questions/1441063/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/1439689/… address some special cases of this, and suggest the question is fairly complicated to answer even in the case that all the fibers are finite.
– Eric Wofsey
Oct 21 '17 at 4:56




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Is every Darboux function potentially continuous ?
– adityaguharoy
Dec 18 '17 at 15:50




Is every Darboux function potentially continuous ?
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