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The price of an action follow the function $f(t)=e^{-t}$. The question is, what is the rate of change of the price ? For me, the rate of change is the rate of change by unit of time $h$, i.e. $$frac{f(t+h)-f(t)}{(t+h)-t}=frac{e^{-t-h}-e^{-t}}{h}=e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}right).$$



In other word, during an interval of time $[x,x+h]$, the price of the action increased by $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)he^{-t}$. I understand it as : the rate of change of the price is $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)$ multiplicate by a quantity that depend on the position only (here is $e^{-t}$). But the most important is $frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$ that really describe the rate of increasing independently on the position.





In my solution, they say that it's the derivative, i.e. $e^{-t}$. I really don't understand how to interpret this result. What does it mean exactly ? If the rate of change of the time is $h$, then the rate of change of the price is $e^{-t}$ ? It doesn't really make sense for me... Could someone explain ?










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The price of an action follow the function $f(t)=e^{-t}$. The question is, what is the rate of change of the price ? For me, the rate of change is the rate of change by unit of time $h$, i.e. $$frac{f(t+h)-f(t)}{(t+h)-t}=frac{e^{-t-h}-e^{-t}}{h}=e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}right).$$



In other word, during an interval of time $[x,x+h]$, the price of the action increased by $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)he^{-t}$. I understand it as : the rate of change of the price is $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)$ multiplicate by a quantity that depend on the position only (here is $e^{-t}$). But the most important is $frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$ that really describe the rate of increasing independently on the position.





In my solution, they say that it's the derivative, i.e. $e^{-t}$. I really don't understand how to interpret this result. What does it mean exactly ? If the rate of change of the time is $h$, then the rate of change of the price is $e^{-t}$ ? It doesn't really make sense for me... Could someone explain ?










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The price of an action follow the function $f(t)=e^{-t}$. The question is, what is the rate of change of the price ? For me, the rate of change is the rate of change by unit of time $h$, i.e. $$frac{f(t+h)-f(t)}{(t+h)-t}=frac{e^{-t-h}-e^{-t}}{h}=e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}right).$$



In other word, during an interval of time $[x,x+h]$, the price of the action increased by $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)he^{-t}$. I understand it as : the rate of change of the price is $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)$ multiplicate by a quantity that depend on the position only (here is $e^{-t}$). But the most important is $frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$ that really describe the rate of increasing independently on the position.





In my solution, they say that it's the derivative, i.e. $e^{-t}$. I really don't understand how to interpret this result. What does it mean exactly ? If the rate of change of the time is $h$, then the rate of change of the price is $e^{-t}$ ? It doesn't really make sense for me... Could someone explain ?










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The price of an action follow the function $f(t)=e^{-t}$. The question is, what is the rate of change of the price ? For me, the rate of change is the rate of change by unit of time $h$, i.e. $$frac{f(t+h)-f(t)}{(t+h)-t}=frac{e^{-t-h}-e^{-t}}{h}=e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}right).$$



In other word, during an interval of time $[x,x+h]$, the price of the action increased by $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)he^{-t}$. I understand it as : the rate of change of the price is $left(frac{e^{-h}+1}{h}right)$ multiplicate by a quantity that depend on the position only (here is $e^{-t}$). But the most important is $frac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$ that really describe the rate of increasing independently on the position.





In my solution, they say that it's the derivative, i.e. $e^{-t}$. I really don't understand how to interpret this result. What does it mean exactly ? If the rate of change of the time is $h$, then the rate of change of the price is $e^{-t}$ ? It doesn't really make sense for me... Could someone explain ?







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The average rate of change over some interval of length $h$ starting at time $t$ is given by
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e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}hright)
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The point of the derivative is to see what happens to this rate when this interval becomes very, very small. It's called "momentary rate of change" for a reason. And when $h$ comes very close to $0$, the expression in the bracket comes very close to $-1$. So the derivative is $-e^{-t}$, and it describes the rate of change at the exact moment $t$.






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  • Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
    – user623855
    Jan 3 at 22:32






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    @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
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  • @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
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  • @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
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It should be $e^{-h}-1$ in the numerator.



This goes back to fundamental calculus. For a nonlinear function, the rate of change doesn't really make sense, because the function can wildly change between $t$ and $t+h$. So what you've calculated is some approximate rate of change over an interval. Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change, which is your result under the limit $lim_{hrightarrow 0}$. A careful calculation of the limit will yield the answer, that it's just the derivative of the original function.






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  • "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
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    @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
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I'm going to take a different tack (and one that I wish I had seen when I was a student studying this material).



Let's plot $frac{mathrm{e}^{-h} - 1}{h}$ versus $h$.
Plot of expression



This graph contains all the information of the rate of change as we vary $h$. Notice, there is a hole in the graph at $h = 0$, because division by zero is undefined. However, it is quite clear what value the continuous extension of the function to include $h = 0$ is, $-1$.



If I ask you for an average rate of change, I have to tell you $h$ so that you know which point from this graph to report. If I ask you for the average rate of change when $h=0$, that is undefined (again, because division by zero is undefined). But if I ask you what it would be, the answer is $-1$, as we can easily see. So the average rate of change when $h=0$ is undefined, but the instantaneous rate of change can be defined, using the limit as $h rightarrow 0$ of the average rate(s)${}^*$ of change, and has a definite value.



${}^*$ When we take a limit, we imagine a sequence of $h$ values and a sequence of average rates of change. However, grammatically, the use of a plural is incorrect, since we are taking the limit of one thing, the average rate of change versus $h$, not several different things, because we only have one thing.






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    You probably know slope, or the average rate of change between two points. Let’s assume there is a function $f(x)$. The average rate of change is interpreted as the slope of a secant passing through those two points. In other words, the ratio of the change in the dependent variable to the change in the independent variable:



    $$overline{m} = frac{Delta f(x)}{Delta x} = frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



    Which in this case, as you’ve mentioned, is



    $$overline{m} = frac{e^{-x-h}-e^{-x}}{h} = e^{-x}cdotfrac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$$



    This would give you the average rate in change of the price. If you were to plot this function and take any two points, $overline{m}$ would give the slope of the straight secant line passing through those two points.



    However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time, or rather, the slope at one point? You would have to take those two points and shrink $Delta x$ down to $0$, so you get



    $$m = lim_{h to 0}frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



    Which is basically taking two points infinitely (might not really be the proper term here, but it gives you the idea) close to each other to give the slope, or rate of change, at that particular point. In your case,



    $$m = e^{-x}cdotlim_{h to 0}frac{e^{-h}-1}{h} to -e^{-x}$$



    which would give the instantaneous rate of change, or slope, at point $x$.






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    • thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
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    • In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
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    • Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
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    • Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
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    Just adding a point that none of the other answers have mentioned yet: when calculus was first developed, the derivative was seen as the result of dividing an infinitely small change by an infinitely small interval—basically a sophisticated way of calculating $frac00$.



    This was an embarrassment: although calculus worked, it wasn't at all clear that the final step of dividing one infinitely small quantity by another was actually valid. It wasn't until the nineteenth century that the solution we use today was found, which is basically to define everything in terms of limits so we nicely sidestep things like $frac00$ and $0cdotinfty$.



    Until then, everyone had to pretend that it did make sense to, say, calculate a speed by dividing a distance of $0$ by a time of $0$.






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      The average rate of change over some interval of length $h$ starting at time $t$ is given by
      $$
      e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}hright)
      $$

      The point of the derivative is to see what happens to this rate when this interval becomes very, very small. It's called "momentary rate of change" for a reason. And when $h$ comes very close to $0$, the expression in the bracket comes very close to $-1$. So the derivative is $-e^{-t}$, and it describes the rate of change at the exact moment $t$.






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      • Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:32






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        @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
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      • @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
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        Jan 3 at 23:41










      • @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
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      The average rate of change over some interval of length $h$ starting at time $t$ is given by
      $$
      e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}hright)
      $$

      The point of the derivative is to see what happens to this rate when this interval becomes very, very small. It's called "momentary rate of change" for a reason. And when $h$ comes very close to $0$, the expression in the bracket comes very close to $-1$. So the derivative is $-e^{-t}$, and it describes the rate of change at the exact moment $t$.






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      • Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:32






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        @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
        – Arthur
        Jan 3 at 22:41










      • @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
        – timtfj
        Jan 3 at 23:41










      • @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
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      The average rate of change over some interval of length $h$ starting at time $t$ is given by
      $$
      e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}hright)
      $$

      The point of the derivative is to see what happens to this rate when this interval becomes very, very small. It's called "momentary rate of change" for a reason. And when $h$ comes very close to $0$, the expression in the bracket comes very close to $-1$. So the derivative is $-e^{-t}$, and it describes the rate of change at the exact moment $t$.






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      The average rate of change over some interval of length $h$ starting at time $t$ is given by
      $$
      e^{-t}left(frac{e^{-h}-1}hright)
      $$

      The point of the derivative is to see what happens to this rate when this interval becomes very, very small. It's called "momentary rate of change" for a reason. And when $h$ comes very close to $0$, the expression in the bracket comes very close to $-1$. So the derivative is $-e^{-t}$, and it describes the rate of change at the exact moment $t$.







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      • Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:32






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        @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
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      • @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
        – timtfj
        Jan 3 at 23:41










      • @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
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        Jan 3 at 23:42




















      • Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:32






      • 3




        @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
        – Arthur
        Jan 3 at 22:41










      • @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
        – timtfj
        Jan 3 at 23:41










      • @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 23:42


















      Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
      – user623855
      Jan 3 at 22:32




      Thank you for the reply. Does it make sense to talk about "rate of change at the exact moment $t$ ? Also, what is the interest if we want the rate of change per unit time for example ?
      – user623855
      Jan 3 at 22:32




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      @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
      – Arthur
      Jan 3 at 22:41




      @user623855 No, technically it doesn't really make sense. Which is why the derivative isn't defined from just a point but from a limit. We call it "rate of change at a point", but what we really mean is "what the rate of change approaches as we shrink the interval down toward zero width". That just doesn't roll of the tongue as nicely. And often the derivative is easier to calculate and work with than changes over actual intervals, so it's used as an approximation to the change over, say, a unit interval.
      – Arthur
      Jan 3 at 22:41












      @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
      – timtfj
      Jan 3 at 23:41




      @user623855 Maybe for a moment imagine the slope as the direction of the curve. Imagine a small vehicle driving along the curve. At every point, the vehicle is pointing in a defined direction and we can calculate what direction that is, even though a single point can't have a direction.
      – timtfj
      Jan 3 at 23:41












      @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
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      @timtfj: great picture :) thank you.
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      It should be $e^{-h}-1$ in the numerator.



      This goes back to fundamental calculus. For a nonlinear function, the rate of change doesn't really make sense, because the function can wildly change between $t$ and $t+h$. So what you've calculated is some approximate rate of change over an interval. Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change, which is your result under the limit $lim_{hrightarrow 0}$. A careful calculation of the limit will yield the answer, that it's just the derivative of the original function.






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      • "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
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        Jan 3 at 22:34






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        @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
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      It should be $e^{-h}-1$ in the numerator.



      This goes back to fundamental calculus. For a nonlinear function, the rate of change doesn't really make sense, because the function can wildly change between $t$ and $t+h$. So what you've calculated is some approximate rate of change over an interval. Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change, which is your result under the limit $lim_{hrightarrow 0}$. A careful calculation of the limit will yield the answer, that it's just the derivative of the original function.






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      • "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:34






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        @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
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      It should be $e^{-h}-1$ in the numerator.



      This goes back to fundamental calculus. For a nonlinear function, the rate of change doesn't really make sense, because the function can wildly change between $t$ and $t+h$. So what you've calculated is some approximate rate of change over an interval. Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change, which is your result under the limit $lim_{hrightarrow 0}$. A careful calculation of the limit will yield the answer, that it's just the derivative of the original function.






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      It should be $e^{-h}-1$ in the numerator.



      This goes back to fundamental calculus. For a nonlinear function, the rate of change doesn't really make sense, because the function can wildly change between $t$ and $t+h$. So what you've calculated is some approximate rate of change over an interval. Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change, which is your result under the limit $lim_{hrightarrow 0}$. A careful calculation of the limit will yield the answer, that it's just the derivative of the original function.







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      • "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:34






      • 1




        @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
        – Alex R.
        Jan 3 at 22:38


















      • "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
        – user623855
        Jan 3 at 22:34






      • 1




        @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
        – Alex R.
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      "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
      – user623855
      Jan 3 at 22:34




      "Presumably the question is after the instantaneous rate of change" : Does it really make sense to talk about a rate of change at an instantaneous time ?
      – user623855
      Jan 3 at 22:34




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      @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
      – Alex R.
      Jan 3 at 22:38




      @user623855: Yes, this is the basis of all of calculus. Explicitely, $f(x+h)approx f(x)+f'(x)h$, where the approximation gets better and better as $h$ tends to 0, meaning that the instantaneous rate of change is a good approximation for how the function will jump in a short interval.
      – Alex R.
      Jan 3 at 22:38











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      I'm going to take a different tack (and one that I wish I had seen when I was a student studying this material).



      Let's plot $frac{mathrm{e}^{-h} - 1}{h}$ versus $h$.
      Plot of expression



      This graph contains all the information of the rate of change as we vary $h$. Notice, there is a hole in the graph at $h = 0$, because division by zero is undefined. However, it is quite clear what value the continuous extension of the function to include $h = 0$ is, $-1$.



      If I ask you for an average rate of change, I have to tell you $h$ so that you know which point from this graph to report. If I ask you for the average rate of change when $h=0$, that is undefined (again, because division by zero is undefined). But if I ask you what it would be, the answer is $-1$, as we can easily see. So the average rate of change when $h=0$ is undefined, but the instantaneous rate of change can be defined, using the limit as $h rightarrow 0$ of the average rate(s)${}^*$ of change, and has a definite value.



      ${}^*$ When we take a limit, we imagine a sequence of $h$ values and a sequence of average rates of change. However, grammatically, the use of a plural is incorrect, since we are taking the limit of one thing, the average rate of change versus $h$, not several different things, because we only have one thing.






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        I'm going to take a different tack (and one that I wish I had seen when I was a student studying this material).



        Let's plot $frac{mathrm{e}^{-h} - 1}{h}$ versus $h$.
        Plot of expression



        This graph contains all the information of the rate of change as we vary $h$. Notice, there is a hole in the graph at $h = 0$, because division by zero is undefined. However, it is quite clear what value the continuous extension of the function to include $h = 0$ is, $-1$.



        If I ask you for an average rate of change, I have to tell you $h$ so that you know which point from this graph to report. If I ask you for the average rate of change when $h=0$, that is undefined (again, because division by zero is undefined). But if I ask you what it would be, the answer is $-1$, as we can easily see. So the average rate of change when $h=0$ is undefined, but the instantaneous rate of change can be defined, using the limit as $h rightarrow 0$ of the average rate(s)${}^*$ of change, and has a definite value.



        ${}^*$ When we take a limit, we imagine a sequence of $h$ values and a sequence of average rates of change. However, grammatically, the use of a plural is incorrect, since we are taking the limit of one thing, the average rate of change versus $h$, not several different things, because we only have one thing.






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          I'm going to take a different tack (and one that I wish I had seen when I was a student studying this material).



          Let's plot $frac{mathrm{e}^{-h} - 1}{h}$ versus $h$.
          Plot of expression



          This graph contains all the information of the rate of change as we vary $h$. Notice, there is a hole in the graph at $h = 0$, because division by zero is undefined. However, it is quite clear what value the continuous extension of the function to include $h = 0$ is, $-1$.



          If I ask you for an average rate of change, I have to tell you $h$ so that you know which point from this graph to report. If I ask you for the average rate of change when $h=0$, that is undefined (again, because division by zero is undefined). But if I ask you what it would be, the answer is $-1$, as we can easily see. So the average rate of change when $h=0$ is undefined, but the instantaneous rate of change can be defined, using the limit as $h rightarrow 0$ of the average rate(s)${}^*$ of change, and has a definite value.



          ${}^*$ When we take a limit, we imagine a sequence of $h$ values and a sequence of average rates of change. However, grammatically, the use of a plural is incorrect, since we are taking the limit of one thing, the average rate of change versus $h$, not several different things, because we only have one thing.






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          I'm going to take a different tack (and one that I wish I had seen when I was a student studying this material).



          Let's plot $frac{mathrm{e}^{-h} - 1}{h}$ versus $h$.
          Plot of expression



          This graph contains all the information of the rate of change as we vary $h$. Notice, there is a hole in the graph at $h = 0$, because division by zero is undefined. However, it is quite clear what value the continuous extension of the function to include $h = 0$ is, $-1$.



          If I ask you for an average rate of change, I have to tell you $h$ so that you know which point from this graph to report. If I ask you for the average rate of change when $h=0$, that is undefined (again, because division by zero is undefined). But if I ask you what it would be, the answer is $-1$, as we can easily see. So the average rate of change when $h=0$ is undefined, but the instantaneous rate of change can be defined, using the limit as $h rightarrow 0$ of the average rate(s)${}^*$ of change, and has a definite value.



          ${}^*$ When we take a limit, we imagine a sequence of $h$ values and a sequence of average rates of change. However, grammatically, the use of a plural is incorrect, since we are taking the limit of one thing, the average rate of change versus $h$, not several different things, because we only have one thing.







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          answered Jan 4 at 1:30









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              You probably know slope, or the average rate of change between two points. Let’s assume there is a function $f(x)$. The average rate of change is interpreted as the slope of a secant passing through those two points. In other words, the ratio of the change in the dependent variable to the change in the independent variable:



              $$overline{m} = frac{Delta f(x)}{Delta x} = frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which in this case, as you’ve mentioned, is



              $$overline{m} = frac{e^{-x-h}-e^{-x}}{h} = e^{-x}cdotfrac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$$



              This would give you the average rate in change of the price. If you were to plot this function and take any two points, $overline{m}$ would give the slope of the straight secant line passing through those two points.



              However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time, or rather, the slope at one point? You would have to take those two points and shrink $Delta x$ down to $0$, so you get



              $$m = lim_{h to 0}frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which is basically taking two points infinitely (might not really be the proper term here, but it gives you the idea) close to each other to give the slope, or rate of change, at that particular point. In your case,



              $$m = e^{-x}cdotlim_{h to 0}frac{e^{-h}-1}{h} to -e^{-x}$$



              which would give the instantaneous rate of change, or slope, at point $x$.






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              • thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:41










              • In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:43












              • Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:44










              • Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:45
















              0














              You probably know slope, or the average rate of change between two points. Let’s assume there is a function $f(x)$. The average rate of change is interpreted as the slope of a secant passing through those two points. In other words, the ratio of the change in the dependent variable to the change in the independent variable:



              $$overline{m} = frac{Delta f(x)}{Delta x} = frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which in this case, as you’ve mentioned, is



              $$overline{m} = frac{e^{-x-h}-e^{-x}}{h} = e^{-x}cdotfrac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$$



              This would give you the average rate in change of the price. If you were to plot this function and take any two points, $overline{m}$ would give the slope of the straight secant line passing through those two points.



              However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time, or rather, the slope at one point? You would have to take those two points and shrink $Delta x$ down to $0$, so you get



              $$m = lim_{h to 0}frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which is basically taking two points infinitely (might not really be the proper term here, but it gives you the idea) close to each other to give the slope, or rate of change, at that particular point. In your case,



              $$m = e^{-x}cdotlim_{h to 0}frac{e^{-h}-1}{h} to -e^{-x}$$



              which would give the instantaneous rate of change, or slope, at point $x$.






              share|cite|improve this answer





















              • thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:41










              • In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:43












              • Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:44










              • Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:45














              0












              0








              0






              You probably know slope, or the average rate of change between two points. Let’s assume there is a function $f(x)$. The average rate of change is interpreted as the slope of a secant passing through those two points. In other words, the ratio of the change in the dependent variable to the change in the independent variable:



              $$overline{m} = frac{Delta f(x)}{Delta x} = frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which in this case, as you’ve mentioned, is



              $$overline{m} = frac{e^{-x-h}-e^{-x}}{h} = e^{-x}cdotfrac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$$



              This would give you the average rate in change of the price. If you were to plot this function and take any two points, $overline{m}$ would give the slope of the straight secant line passing through those two points.



              However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time, or rather, the slope at one point? You would have to take those two points and shrink $Delta x$ down to $0$, so you get



              $$m = lim_{h to 0}frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which is basically taking two points infinitely (might not really be the proper term here, but it gives you the idea) close to each other to give the slope, or rate of change, at that particular point. In your case,



              $$m = e^{-x}cdotlim_{h to 0}frac{e^{-h}-1}{h} to -e^{-x}$$



              which would give the instantaneous rate of change, or slope, at point $x$.






              share|cite|improve this answer












              You probably know slope, or the average rate of change between two points. Let’s assume there is a function $f(x)$. The average rate of change is interpreted as the slope of a secant passing through those two points. In other words, the ratio of the change in the dependent variable to the change in the independent variable:



              $$overline{m} = frac{Delta f(x)}{Delta x} = frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which in this case, as you’ve mentioned, is



              $$overline{m} = frac{e^{-x-h}-e^{-x}}{h} = e^{-x}cdotfrac{e^{-h}-1}{h}$$



              This would give you the average rate in change of the price. If you were to plot this function and take any two points, $overline{m}$ would give the slope of the straight secant line passing through those two points.



              However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time, or rather, the slope at one point? You would have to take those two points and shrink $Delta x$ down to $0$, so you get



              $$m = lim_{h to 0}frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$



              Which is basically taking two points infinitely (might not really be the proper term here, but it gives you the idea) close to each other to give the slope, or rate of change, at that particular point. In your case,



              $$m = e^{-x}cdotlim_{h to 0}frac{e^{-h}-1}{h} to -e^{-x}$$



              which would give the instantaneous rate of change, or slope, at point $x$.







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              answered Jan 3 at 22:37









              KM101

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              • thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:41










              • In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:43












              • Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:44










              • Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:45


















              • thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:41










              • In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:43












              • Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
                – user623855
                Jan 3 at 22:44










              • Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
                – KM101
                Jan 3 at 22:45
















              thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
              – user623855
              Jan 3 at 22:41




              thank you. "However, what if you want the rate of change at one instant in time", this is just $f(t)$, no need of the derivative...
              – user623855
              Jan 3 at 22:41












              In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
              – KM101
              Jan 3 at 22:43






              In your question, you said “$f(t)$ shows the price.” It’s not the its rate of change.
              – KM101
              Jan 3 at 22:43














              Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
              – user623855
              Jan 3 at 22:44




              Yes :) But you talk about instantaneous rate of change. It's $0$, and thus $f(t)$ is just $f(t)$ :)
              – user623855
              Jan 3 at 22:44












              Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
              – KM101
              Jan 3 at 22:45




              Instantaneous rate of change is not $0$, it’s the $f’(t)$ evaluated at point $t$.
              – KM101
              Jan 3 at 22:45











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              Just adding a point that none of the other answers have mentioned yet: when calculus was first developed, the derivative was seen as the result of dividing an infinitely small change by an infinitely small interval—basically a sophisticated way of calculating $frac00$.



              This was an embarrassment: although calculus worked, it wasn't at all clear that the final step of dividing one infinitely small quantity by another was actually valid. It wasn't until the nineteenth century that the solution we use today was found, which is basically to define everything in terms of limits so we nicely sidestep things like $frac00$ and $0cdotinfty$.



              Until then, everyone had to pretend that it did make sense to, say, calculate a speed by dividing a distance of $0$ by a time of $0$.






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                Just adding a point that none of the other answers have mentioned yet: when calculus was first developed, the derivative was seen as the result of dividing an infinitely small change by an infinitely small interval—basically a sophisticated way of calculating $frac00$.



                This was an embarrassment: although calculus worked, it wasn't at all clear that the final step of dividing one infinitely small quantity by another was actually valid. It wasn't until the nineteenth century that the solution we use today was found, which is basically to define everything in terms of limits so we nicely sidestep things like $frac00$ and $0cdotinfty$.



                Until then, everyone had to pretend that it did make sense to, say, calculate a speed by dividing a distance of $0$ by a time of $0$.






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                  Just adding a point that none of the other answers have mentioned yet: when calculus was first developed, the derivative was seen as the result of dividing an infinitely small change by an infinitely small interval—basically a sophisticated way of calculating $frac00$.



                  This was an embarrassment: although calculus worked, it wasn't at all clear that the final step of dividing one infinitely small quantity by another was actually valid. It wasn't until the nineteenth century that the solution we use today was found, which is basically to define everything in terms of limits so we nicely sidestep things like $frac00$ and $0cdotinfty$.



                  Until then, everyone had to pretend that it did make sense to, say, calculate a speed by dividing a distance of $0$ by a time of $0$.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  Just adding a point that none of the other answers have mentioned yet: when calculus was first developed, the derivative was seen as the result of dividing an infinitely small change by an infinitely small interval—basically a sophisticated way of calculating $frac00$.



                  This was an embarrassment: although calculus worked, it wasn't at all clear that the final step of dividing one infinitely small quantity by another was actually valid. It wasn't until the nineteenth century that the solution we use today was found, which is basically to define everything in terms of limits so we nicely sidestep things like $frac00$ and $0cdotinfty$.



                  Until then, everyone had to pretend that it did make sense to, say, calculate a speed by dividing a distance of $0$ by a time of $0$.







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