Steering dampers
I'm curious about steering dampers on bicycles. Does steering damper really helps on rough terrain. What brands and types of dampers exist on market(in EU)? Does damper requires maintenance of any kind?
Does anyone have steering damper? If yes, please share your experince.
After a little bit of googling I found this steering damper. So is this only steering damper that exists on market? Does anyone have it?
I'm interested for dampers because I hate when I ride on rough terrain and handlebar twists and I lose balance because of pothole or gap on macadam road.
handling
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I'm curious about steering dampers on bicycles. Does steering damper really helps on rough terrain. What brands and types of dampers exist on market(in EU)? Does damper requires maintenance of any kind?
Does anyone have steering damper? If yes, please share your experince.
After a little bit of googling I found this steering damper. So is this only steering damper that exists on market? Does anyone have it?
I'm interested for dampers because I hate when I ride on rough terrain and handlebar twists and I lose balance because of pothole or gap on macadam road.
handling
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
Do you mean a suspension fork? Googling for "bicycle steerer damper" gives some weird results, e.g.: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
– Grigory Rechistov
yesterday
Whoa, I never knew these existed, there are even old threads on MTBR about Hopey dampers, with glowing reviews.
– Klaster_1
yesterday
Looks like a neat bit of kit that never took off. MTB riders use wider and wider bars as time went on, with some bikes now having 700+mm wide handlebars. That's a lot of leverage. So restraining a wayward front wheel is easier with longer bars. Plus it looks more... something.
– Criggie♦
8 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm curious about steering dampers on bicycles. Does steering damper really helps on rough terrain. What brands and types of dampers exist on market(in EU)? Does damper requires maintenance of any kind?
Does anyone have steering damper? If yes, please share your experince.
After a little bit of googling I found this steering damper. So is this only steering damper that exists on market? Does anyone have it?
I'm interested for dampers because I hate when I ride on rough terrain and handlebar twists and I lose balance because of pothole or gap on macadam road.
handling
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
I'm curious about steering dampers on bicycles. Does steering damper really helps on rough terrain. What brands and types of dampers exist on market(in EU)? Does damper requires maintenance of any kind?
Does anyone have steering damper? If yes, please share your experince.
After a little bit of googling I found this steering damper. So is this only steering damper that exists on market? Does anyone have it?
I'm interested for dampers because I hate when I ride on rough terrain and handlebar twists and I lose balance because of pothole or gap on macadam road.
handling
handling
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
edited yesterday
SilvioCro
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
asked 2 days ago
SilvioCroSilvioCro
354
354
Do you mean a suspension fork? Googling for "bicycle steerer damper" gives some weird results, e.g.: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
– Grigory Rechistov
yesterday
Whoa, I never knew these existed, there are even old threads on MTBR about Hopey dampers, with glowing reviews.
– Klaster_1
yesterday
Looks like a neat bit of kit that never took off. MTB riders use wider and wider bars as time went on, with some bikes now having 700+mm wide handlebars. That's a lot of leverage. So restraining a wayward front wheel is easier with longer bars. Plus it looks more... something.
– Criggie♦
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Do you mean a suspension fork? Googling for "bicycle steerer damper" gives some weird results, e.g.: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
– Grigory Rechistov
yesterday
Whoa, I never knew these existed, there are even old threads on MTBR about Hopey dampers, with glowing reviews.
– Klaster_1
yesterday
Looks like a neat bit of kit that never took off. MTB riders use wider and wider bars as time went on, with some bikes now having 700+mm wide handlebars. That's a lot of leverage. So restraining a wayward front wheel is easier with longer bars. Plus it looks more... something.
– Criggie♦
8 hours ago
Do you mean a suspension fork? Googling for "bicycle steerer damper" gives some weird results, e.g.: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
– Grigory Rechistov
yesterday
Do you mean a suspension fork? Googling for "bicycle steerer damper" gives some weird results, e.g.: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
– Grigory Rechistov
yesterday
Whoa, I never knew these existed, there are even old threads on MTBR about Hopey dampers, with glowing reviews.
– Klaster_1
yesterday
Whoa, I never knew these existed, there are even old threads on MTBR about Hopey dampers, with glowing reviews.
– Klaster_1
yesterday
Looks like a neat bit of kit that never took off. MTB riders use wider and wider bars as time went on, with some bikes now having 700+mm wide handlebars. That's a lot of leverage. So restraining a wayward front wheel is easier with longer bars. Plus it looks more... something.
– Criggie♦
8 hours ago
Looks like a neat bit of kit that never took off. MTB riders use wider and wider bars as time went on, with some bikes now having 700+mm wide handlebars. That's a lot of leverage. So restraining a wayward front wheel is easier with longer bars. Plus it looks more... something.
– Criggie♦
8 hours ago
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As you have found out there only seems to be one true steering damper currently on the market, and it's a speciality product for downhill MTB racing or dealing with cross winds on time trial bikes. This is not a product for the problem you are experiencing - losing control when the front wheel hits a bump.
It actually sounds like you have balance and stability problems, I doubt a steering damper would actually help you and would even hinder you as it would resist steering inputs from the handlebars as well as forces on the front wheel.
A possible way forward for you would be to learn how to deal with road irregularities better - taking weight off saddle and onto pedals through legs, shifting weight backwards, avoiding potholes entirely.
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
add a comment |
(This answers the original question that was only about usefulness of steering dampers without details)
The purpose of steering damper on motorcycles is to prevent steering oscillation, also known as speed wobble. They are generally not needed on bicycles, because the masses and speeds involved are low enough that the rider can stop the oscillation by just changing position, tightening or loosening grip on handlebar or touching top tube with a leg.
The spring or elastomer thing that is sometimes sold as steering damper is actually intended to keep the handlebars from turning when bike is parked on kickstand or against a wall. It is not supposed to affect riding.
As already mentioned in comments and updated question, true steering dampers exist but are not common. It is probably not a coincidence that these are marketed for downhill and time trial, the two cycling subcultures that are most focused on equipment.
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
1
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
|
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The first mention I saw of them, and still the only recommendation, was for use with a baby seat and rear rack (specifically one to carry a folded pushchair at the very back of the bike) combined. This leads to twitchy steering, especially at the low speeds typical of riding with a baby and rather heavy and high load.
I never tried one myself, as I only rode with the pushchair rack a few times.
Looking now I see they're also recommended with heavy front loads but I don't feel the lack of one on my tourer even with front panniers and a bar bag. That link suggests both spring and elastomer types are available.
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
1
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
add a comment |
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As you have found out there only seems to be one true steering damper currently on the market, and it's a speciality product for downhill MTB racing or dealing with cross winds on time trial bikes. This is not a product for the problem you are experiencing - losing control when the front wheel hits a bump.
It actually sounds like you have balance and stability problems, I doubt a steering damper would actually help you and would even hinder you as it would resist steering inputs from the handlebars as well as forces on the front wheel.
A possible way forward for you would be to learn how to deal with road irregularities better - taking weight off saddle and onto pedals through legs, shifting weight backwards, avoiding potholes entirely.
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
add a comment |
As you have found out there only seems to be one true steering damper currently on the market, and it's a speciality product for downhill MTB racing or dealing with cross winds on time trial bikes. This is not a product for the problem you are experiencing - losing control when the front wheel hits a bump.
It actually sounds like you have balance and stability problems, I doubt a steering damper would actually help you and would even hinder you as it would resist steering inputs from the handlebars as well as forces on the front wheel.
A possible way forward for you would be to learn how to deal with road irregularities better - taking weight off saddle and onto pedals through legs, shifting weight backwards, avoiding potholes entirely.
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
add a comment |
As you have found out there only seems to be one true steering damper currently on the market, and it's a speciality product for downhill MTB racing or dealing with cross winds on time trial bikes. This is not a product for the problem you are experiencing - losing control when the front wheel hits a bump.
It actually sounds like you have balance and stability problems, I doubt a steering damper would actually help you and would even hinder you as it would resist steering inputs from the handlebars as well as forces on the front wheel.
A possible way forward for you would be to learn how to deal with road irregularities better - taking weight off saddle and onto pedals through legs, shifting weight backwards, avoiding potholes entirely.
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
As you have found out there only seems to be one true steering damper currently on the market, and it's a speciality product for downhill MTB racing or dealing with cross winds on time trial bikes. This is not a product for the problem you are experiencing - losing control when the front wheel hits a bump.
It actually sounds like you have balance and stability problems, I doubt a steering damper would actually help you and would even hinder you as it would resist steering inputs from the handlebars as well as forces on the front wheel.
A possible way forward for you would be to learn how to deal with road irregularities better - taking weight off saddle and onto pedals through legs, shifting weight backwards, avoiding potholes entirely.
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
33.1k23483
answered yesterday
Argenti ApparatusArgenti Apparatus
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33.1k23483
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
add a comment |
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
I thought damper will prevent that.. Thanks a lot
– SilvioCro
yesterday
add a comment |
(This answers the original question that was only about usefulness of steering dampers without details)
The purpose of steering damper on motorcycles is to prevent steering oscillation, also known as speed wobble. They are generally not needed on bicycles, because the masses and speeds involved are low enough that the rider can stop the oscillation by just changing position, tightening or loosening grip on handlebar or touching top tube with a leg.
The spring or elastomer thing that is sometimes sold as steering damper is actually intended to keep the handlebars from turning when bike is parked on kickstand or against a wall. It is not supposed to affect riding.
As already mentioned in comments and updated question, true steering dampers exist but are not common. It is probably not a coincidence that these are marketed for downhill and time trial, the two cycling subcultures that are most focused on equipment.
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
1
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
|
show 1 more comment
(This answers the original question that was only about usefulness of steering dampers without details)
The purpose of steering damper on motorcycles is to prevent steering oscillation, also known as speed wobble. They are generally not needed on bicycles, because the masses and speeds involved are low enough that the rider can stop the oscillation by just changing position, tightening or loosening grip on handlebar or touching top tube with a leg.
The spring or elastomer thing that is sometimes sold as steering damper is actually intended to keep the handlebars from turning when bike is parked on kickstand or against a wall. It is not supposed to affect riding.
As already mentioned in comments and updated question, true steering dampers exist but are not common. It is probably not a coincidence that these are marketed for downhill and time trial, the two cycling subcultures that are most focused on equipment.
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
1
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
|
show 1 more comment
(This answers the original question that was only about usefulness of steering dampers without details)
The purpose of steering damper on motorcycles is to prevent steering oscillation, also known as speed wobble. They are generally not needed on bicycles, because the masses and speeds involved are low enough that the rider can stop the oscillation by just changing position, tightening or loosening grip on handlebar or touching top tube with a leg.
The spring or elastomer thing that is sometimes sold as steering damper is actually intended to keep the handlebars from turning when bike is parked on kickstand or against a wall. It is not supposed to affect riding.
As already mentioned in comments and updated question, true steering dampers exist but are not common. It is probably not a coincidence that these are marketed for downhill and time trial, the two cycling subcultures that are most focused on equipment.
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
(This answers the original question that was only about usefulness of steering dampers without details)
The purpose of steering damper on motorcycles is to prevent steering oscillation, also known as speed wobble. They are generally not needed on bicycles, because the masses and speeds involved are low enough that the rider can stop the oscillation by just changing position, tightening or loosening grip on handlebar or touching top tube with a leg.
The spring or elastomer thing that is sometimes sold as steering damper is actually intended to keep the handlebars from turning when bike is parked on kickstand or against a wall. It is not supposed to affect riding.
As already mentioned in comments and updated question, true steering dampers exist but are not common. It is probably not a coincidence that these are marketed for downhill and time trial, the two cycling subcultures that are most focused on equipment.
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
edited 9 hours ago
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
answered yesterday
ojsojs
11.5k22141
11.5k22141
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
1
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
|
show 1 more comment
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
1
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
As a recreational rider on macadam road, is it Worth to invest in one damper? Btw I edited question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
1
1
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
Depends. Are you buying one to solve some problem or just to get a new toy? If your goal is to have the most expensive bike, then one helps but just for riding I doubt one does anything.
– ojs
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
If it solves problem, I'll buy it...
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Do you have a problem you think could solved by one?
– ojs
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
Yes I have but I'm not sure does damper really solves that problem. That's reason why I posted this question
– SilvioCro
yesterday
|
show 1 more comment
The first mention I saw of them, and still the only recommendation, was for use with a baby seat and rear rack (specifically one to carry a folded pushchair at the very back of the bike) combined. This leads to twitchy steering, especially at the low speeds typical of riding with a baby and rather heavy and high load.
I never tried one myself, as I only rode with the pushchair rack a few times.
Looking now I see they're also recommended with heavy front loads but I don't feel the lack of one on my tourer even with front panniers and a bar bag. That link suggests both spring and elastomer types are available.
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
1
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
add a comment |
The first mention I saw of them, and still the only recommendation, was for use with a baby seat and rear rack (specifically one to carry a folded pushchair at the very back of the bike) combined. This leads to twitchy steering, especially at the low speeds typical of riding with a baby and rather heavy and high load.
I never tried one myself, as I only rode with the pushchair rack a few times.
Looking now I see they're also recommended with heavy front loads but I don't feel the lack of one on my tourer even with front panniers and a bar bag. That link suggests both spring and elastomer types are available.
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
1
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
add a comment |
The first mention I saw of them, and still the only recommendation, was for use with a baby seat and rear rack (specifically one to carry a folded pushchair at the very back of the bike) combined. This leads to twitchy steering, especially at the low speeds typical of riding with a baby and rather heavy and high load.
I never tried one myself, as I only rode with the pushchair rack a few times.
Looking now I see they're also recommended with heavy front loads but I don't feel the lack of one on my tourer even with front panniers and a bar bag. That link suggests both spring and elastomer types are available.
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
The first mention I saw of them, and still the only recommendation, was for use with a baby seat and rear rack (specifically one to carry a folded pushchair at the very back of the bike) combined. This leads to twitchy steering, especially at the low speeds typical of riding with a baby and rather heavy and high load.
I never tried one myself, as I only rode with the pushchair rack a few times.
Looking now I see they're also recommended with heavy front loads but I don't feel the lack of one on my tourer even with front panniers and a bar bag. That link suggests both spring and elastomer types are available.
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
answered yesterday
Chris HChris H
22.3k134102
22.3k134102
1
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
add a comment |
1
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
1
1
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
The link says the "damper" is not supposed to affect riding at all but to keep front wheel in place when the bike is parked. It is useful only when parking heavily loaded bikes on kickstand or leaning against wall.
– ojs
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
@ojs I thought I linked the right product (same place I got the pushchair rack from) but apparently not
– Chris H
yesterday
add a comment |
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Do you mean a suspension fork? Googling for "bicycle steerer damper" gives some weird results, e.g.: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
– Grigory Rechistov
yesterday
Whoa, I never knew these existed, there are even old threads on MTBR about Hopey dampers, with glowing reviews.
– Klaster_1
yesterday
Looks like a neat bit of kit that never took off. MTB riders use wider and wider bars as time went on, with some bikes now having 700+mm wide handlebars. That's a lot of leverage. So restraining a wayward front wheel is easier with longer bars. Plus it looks more... something.
– Criggie♦
8 hours ago