What is the main difference between pointwise and uniform convergence as defined here?
I have a little confusion here. I have seen the following several times and seem to be a bit confused as to differentiating them.
Let $E$ be a non-empty subset of $Bbb{R}$. A sequence of functions ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges pointwise to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
On the other hand ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
QUESTION:
Why is $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence or I'm I missing something important? Can't we distinguish them?
real-analysis analysis definition uniform-convergence pointwise-convergence
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I have a little confusion here. I have seen the following several times and seem to be a bit confused as to differentiating them.
Let $E$ be a non-empty subset of $Bbb{R}$. A sequence of functions ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges pointwise to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
On the other hand ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
QUESTION:
Why is $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence or I'm I missing something important? Can't we distinguish them?
real-analysis analysis definition uniform-convergence pointwise-convergence
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Please refer to the original definition, not the altered version. In your post, these are identical.
– xbh
yesterday
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I have a little confusion here. I have seen the following several times and seem to be a bit confused as to differentiating them.
Let $E$ be a non-empty subset of $Bbb{R}$. A sequence of functions ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges pointwise to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
On the other hand ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
QUESTION:
Why is $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence or I'm I missing something important? Can't we distinguish them?
real-analysis analysis definition uniform-convergence pointwise-convergence
I have a little confusion here. I have seen the following several times and seem to be a bit confused as to differentiating them.
Let $E$ be a non-empty subset of $Bbb{R}$. A sequence of functions ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges pointwise to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
On the other hand ${f_n}_{nin Bbb{N}},$ converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if begin{align}f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.end{align}
QUESTION:
Why is $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence or I'm I missing something important? Can't we distinguish them?
real-analysis analysis definition uniform-convergence pointwise-convergence
real-analysis analysis definition uniform-convergence pointwise-convergence
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Please refer to the original definition, not the altered version. In your post, these are identical.
– xbh
yesterday
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Please refer to the original definition, not the altered version. In your post, these are identical.
– xbh
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Please refer to the original definition, not the altered version. In your post, these are identical.
– xbh
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Please refer to the original definition, not the altered version. In your post, these are identical.
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$f_n$ converges pointwise means for every $c>0$ for every $x$, there exists $N(x)$ such that $n>N(x)$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$
$f_n$ converges uniformly means that for every $c>0$ there exists $N$ such that for every $x$, $n>N$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$.
In the simply convergence, $N(x)$ depends of $x$ but for uniformly convergence one $N$ is chosen for every $x$.
(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
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Uniform convergence is actually $mathcal L^infty$ convergence, i.e.
$$
f_n rightrightarrows f [x in E]!! iff !! sup_{x in E} vert f_n - fvert(x) to 0[n to infty].
$$
This is strictly stronger than pointwise convergence.
Alternatively, uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, so $f_n to f$ in both cases.
1
Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
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Sorry, but yes, you probably are missing something important, because the second statement in your post
On the other hand ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N}}$, converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if
$$f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.$$
is false. Without seeing your source, it's impossible to say what happened here, where this erroneous statement came from, and what exactly you're missing.
Are you sure the source says if and only if
here? This certainly is NOT the definition of uniform convergence (unlike your first statement, which indeed is a definition of pointwise convergence, unless we want to expand it further in $varepsilon/delta$-language). This could be a theorem that states that uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, which is a true theorem, but ONLY in this direction, so it cannot say if and only if
.
Your best bet is to check the original source to find out what exactly it says there.
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What you wrote is actually ill-formed, and that is why it is completely wrong. Nowhere did you specify or quantify $n$ in "$f_n(x) → f(x)$, $∀x∈E$". Furthermore, do not ever use symbols like "$∀$" unless you use them properly (quantifiers must always be put in front of the quantified statement).
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff ( $f_n(x)-f(x) → 0$ as $n→∞$ ) for every $x∈E$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $sup_{x∈E} |f_n(x)-f(x)| → 0$ as $n→∞$.
In one case the convergence may proceed differently for different $x∈E$. In the other case the sup norm between $f_n$ and $f$ (over all $x∈E$) must tend to zero, which intuitively means the convergence must proceed uniformly for all $x∈E$.
In no way is it possible to correctly express uniform convergence using the expression you used, so it is most likely that you did not actually copy the definition or notation given to you.
In purely logical form:
$
defnn{mathbb{N}}
defrr{mathbb{R}}
$
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff $∀x∈E ∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ∀x∈E ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
This is an instance of a (restricted) quantifier swap. It is a basic logic fact that one implies the other, easily summarized as "$∃∀ ⇒ ∀∃$", but the reverse implication may not hold.
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@xbh has pointed out that those are not the formal definitions of pointwise and uniform convergence. You can look up those definitions, so I hope to illustrate their difference with an intutive example: polynomial interpolation.
Suppose we want to approximate $displaystyle f(x) = frac{1}{1 + 25 x^2}$ with a polynomial.
Let $p_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ equally-spaced nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $p_n(x)$ converges pointwise to $f(x)$ in the interval (–1, 1) but diverges at the endpoints –1 and 1.
Let $q_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ Chebyshev nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $q_n(x)$ converges uniformly to $f(x)$ in the interval [–1, 1].
You can generate the plot above with more nodes:
import numpy as np
from numpy.polynomial.polynomial import polyfit, Polynomial
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
xs = np.linspace(-1, 1, 256)
def f(x): return 1.0 / (1 + 25 * x**2)
N = 16
nodes = np.cos(np.linspace(0, N, N) * np.pi / N)
interp = Polynomial(polyfit(nodes, f(nodes), N - 1))
plt.plot(xs, f(xs), "--", label = "$f(x) = (1 + 25 x^2)^{-1}$")
plt.plot(xs, interp(xs), "-", label = "$q_n(x)$")
plt.plot(nodes, f(nodes), "o")
plt.legend(frameon = False)
plt.show()
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$f_n$ converges pointwise means for every $c>0$ for every $x$, there exists $N(x)$ such that $n>N(x)$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$
$f_n$ converges uniformly means that for every $c>0$ there exists $N$ such that for every $x$, $n>N$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$.
In the simply convergence, $N(x)$ depends of $x$ but for uniformly convergence one $N$ is chosen for every $x$.
(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
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$f_n$ converges pointwise means for every $c>0$ for every $x$, there exists $N(x)$ such that $n>N(x)$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$
$f_n$ converges uniformly means that for every $c>0$ there exists $N$ such that for every $x$, $n>N$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$.
In the simply convergence, $N(x)$ depends of $x$ but for uniformly convergence one $N$ is chosen for every $x$.
(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
|
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$f_n$ converges pointwise means for every $c>0$ for every $x$, there exists $N(x)$ such that $n>N(x)$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$
$f_n$ converges uniformly means that for every $c>0$ there exists $N$ such that for every $x$, $n>N$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$.
In the simply convergence, $N(x)$ depends of $x$ but for uniformly convergence one $N$ is chosen for every $x$.
$f_n$ converges pointwise means for every $c>0$ for every $x$, there exists $N(x)$ such that $n>N(x)$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$
$f_n$ converges uniformly means that for every $c>0$ there exists $N$ such that for every $x$, $n>N$ implies that $|f_n(x)-f(x)|<c$.
In the simply convergence, $N(x)$ depends of $x$ but for uniformly convergence one $N$ is chosen for every $x$.
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(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
|
show 1 more comment
(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
(+1) I already know this but want to know why $f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E,$ is used for both uniform and pointwise convergence.
– Mike
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
If $f_n$ converges uniformly, it convergence pointwise, so we can write $f_n(x)rightarrow f(x)$ for the both case. The difference is that for uniform convergence, if you draw the picture, you will see that the distance between the graph of $f_n$ and $f$ tends to $0$, this is not necessarily true for simply convergence.
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
That's so true.
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
Kindly check your post. Do you mean $f_n(n)=0$ or $f_n(x)=0$?
– Mike
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
$f_n(n)=1, f_n(x)=0$ if $xneq n$
– Tsemo Aristide
yesterday
|
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Uniform convergence is actually $mathcal L^infty$ convergence, i.e.
$$
f_n rightrightarrows f [x in E]!! iff !! sup_{x in E} vert f_n - fvert(x) to 0[n to infty].
$$
This is strictly stronger than pointwise convergence.
Alternatively, uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, so $f_n to f$ in both cases.
1
Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
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Uniform convergence is actually $mathcal L^infty$ convergence, i.e.
$$
f_n rightrightarrows f [x in E]!! iff !! sup_{x in E} vert f_n - fvert(x) to 0[n to infty].
$$
This is strictly stronger than pointwise convergence.
Alternatively, uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, so $f_n to f$ in both cases.
1
Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
add a comment |
Uniform convergence is actually $mathcal L^infty$ convergence, i.e.
$$
f_n rightrightarrows f [x in E]!! iff !! sup_{x in E} vert f_n - fvert(x) to 0[n to infty].
$$
This is strictly stronger than pointwise convergence.
Alternatively, uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, so $f_n to f$ in both cases.
Uniform convergence is actually $mathcal L^infty$ convergence, i.e.
$$
f_n rightrightarrows f [x in E]!! iff !! sup_{x in E} vert f_n - fvert(x) to 0[n to infty].
$$
This is strictly stronger than pointwise convergence.
Alternatively, uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, so $f_n to f$ in both cases.
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Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
add a comment |
1
Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
1
1
Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
Essential supremum and supremum coincide in the context of continuous functions. Pointwise convergence does imply uniform convergence in some particular context such as that of a sequence of $l$-Lipschitz functions where $l in mathbb R$.
– Matt A Pelto
yesterday
add a comment |
Sorry, but yes, you probably are missing something important, because the second statement in your post
On the other hand ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N}}$, converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if
$$f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.$$
is false. Without seeing your source, it's impossible to say what happened here, where this erroneous statement came from, and what exactly you're missing.
Are you sure the source says if and only if
here? This certainly is NOT the definition of uniform convergence (unlike your first statement, which indeed is a definition of pointwise convergence, unless we want to expand it further in $varepsilon/delta$-language). This could be a theorem that states that uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, which is a true theorem, but ONLY in this direction, so it cannot say if and only if
.
Your best bet is to check the original source to find out what exactly it says there.
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Sorry, but yes, you probably are missing something important, because the second statement in your post
On the other hand ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N}}$, converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if
$$f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.$$
is false. Without seeing your source, it's impossible to say what happened here, where this erroneous statement came from, and what exactly you're missing.
Are you sure the source says if and only if
here? This certainly is NOT the definition of uniform convergence (unlike your first statement, which indeed is a definition of pointwise convergence, unless we want to expand it further in $varepsilon/delta$-language). This could be a theorem that states that uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, which is a true theorem, but ONLY in this direction, so it cannot say if and only if
.
Your best bet is to check the original source to find out what exactly it says there.
add a comment |
Sorry, but yes, you probably are missing something important, because the second statement in your post
On the other hand ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N}}$, converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if
$$f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.$$
is false. Without seeing your source, it's impossible to say what happened here, where this erroneous statement came from, and what exactly you're missing.
Are you sure the source says if and only if
here? This certainly is NOT the definition of uniform convergence (unlike your first statement, which indeed is a definition of pointwise convergence, unless we want to expand it further in $varepsilon/delta$-language). This could be a theorem that states that uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, which is a true theorem, but ONLY in this direction, so it cannot say if and only if
.
Your best bet is to check the original source to find out what exactly it says there.
Sorry, but yes, you probably are missing something important, because the second statement in your post
On the other hand ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N}}$, converges uniformly to $f$ on $E$ if and only if
$$f_n(x)to f(x),;forall,xin E.$$
is false. Without seeing your source, it's impossible to say what happened here, where this erroneous statement came from, and what exactly you're missing.
Are you sure the source says if and only if
here? This certainly is NOT the definition of uniform convergence (unlike your first statement, which indeed is a definition of pointwise convergence, unless we want to expand it further in $varepsilon/delta$-language). This could be a theorem that states that uniform convergence implies pointwise convergence, which is a true theorem, but ONLY in this direction, so it cannot say if and only if
.
Your best bet is to check the original source to find out what exactly it says there.
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What you wrote is actually ill-formed, and that is why it is completely wrong. Nowhere did you specify or quantify $n$ in "$f_n(x) → f(x)$, $∀x∈E$". Furthermore, do not ever use symbols like "$∀$" unless you use them properly (quantifiers must always be put in front of the quantified statement).
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff ( $f_n(x)-f(x) → 0$ as $n→∞$ ) for every $x∈E$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $sup_{x∈E} |f_n(x)-f(x)| → 0$ as $n→∞$.
In one case the convergence may proceed differently for different $x∈E$. In the other case the sup norm between $f_n$ and $f$ (over all $x∈E$) must tend to zero, which intuitively means the convergence must proceed uniformly for all $x∈E$.
In no way is it possible to correctly express uniform convergence using the expression you used, so it is most likely that you did not actually copy the definition or notation given to you.
In purely logical form:
$
defnn{mathbb{N}}
defrr{mathbb{R}}
$
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff $∀x∈E ∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ∀x∈E ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
This is an instance of a (restricted) quantifier swap. It is a basic logic fact that one implies the other, easily summarized as "$∃∀ ⇒ ∀∃$", but the reverse implication may not hold.
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What you wrote is actually ill-formed, and that is why it is completely wrong. Nowhere did you specify or quantify $n$ in "$f_n(x) → f(x)$, $∀x∈E$". Furthermore, do not ever use symbols like "$∀$" unless you use them properly (quantifiers must always be put in front of the quantified statement).
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff ( $f_n(x)-f(x) → 0$ as $n→∞$ ) for every $x∈E$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $sup_{x∈E} |f_n(x)-f(x)| → 0$ as $n→∞$.
In one case the convergence may proceed differently for different $x∈E$. In the other case the sup norm between $f_n$ and $f$ (over all $x∈E$) must tend to zero, which intuitively means the convergence must proceed uniformly for all $x∈E$.
In no way is it possible to correctly express uniform convergence using the expression you used, so it is most likely that you did not actually copy the definition or notation given to you.
In purely logical form:
$
defnn{mathbb{N}}
defrr{mathbb{R}}
$
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff $∀x∈E ∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ∀x∈E ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
This is an instance of a (restricted) quantifier swap. It is a basic logic fact that one implies the other, easily summarized as "$∃∀ ⇒ ∀∃$", but the reverse implication may not hold.
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What you wrote is actually ill-formed, and that is why it is completely wrong. Nowhere did you specify or quantify $n$ in "$f_n(x) → f(x)$, $∀x∈E$". Furthermore, do not ever use symbols like "$∀$" unless you use them properly (quantifiers must always be put in front of the quantified statement).
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff ( $f_n(x)-f(x) → 0$ as $n→∞$ ) for every $x∈E$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $sup_{x∈E} |f_n(x)-f(x)| → 0$ as $n→∞$.
In one case the convergence may proceed differently for different $x∈E$. In the other case the sup norm between $f_n$ and $f$ (over all $x∈E$) must tend to zero, which intuitively means the convergence must proceed uniformly for all $x∈E$.
In no way is it possible to correctly express uniform convergence using the expression you used, so it is most likely that you did not actually copy the definition or notation given to you.
In purely logical form:
$
defnn{mathbb{N}}
defrr{mathbb{R}}
$
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff $∀x∈E ∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ∀x∈E ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
This is an instance of a (restricted) quantifier swap. It is a basic logic fact that one implies the other, easily summarized as "$∃∀ ⇒ ∀∃$", but the reverse implication may not hold.
What you wrote is actually ill-formed, and that is why it is completely wrong. Nowhere did you specify or quantify $n$ in "$f_n(x) → f(x)$, $∀x∈E$". Furthermore, do not ever use symbols like "$∀$" unless you use them properly (quantifiers must always be put in front of the quantified statement).
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff ( $f_n(x)-f(x) → 0$ as $n→∞$ ) for every $x∈E$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $sup_{x∈E} |f_n(x)-f(x)| → 0$ as $n→∞$.
In one case the convergence may proceed differently for different $x∈E$. In the other case the sup norm between $f_n$ and $f$ (over all $x∈E$) must tend to zero, which intuitively means the convergence must proceed uniformly for all $x∈E$.
In no way is it possible to correctly express uniform convergence using the expression you used, so it is most likely that you did not actually copy the definition or notation given to you.
In purely logical form:
$
defnn{mathbb{N}}
defrr{mathbb{R}}
$
$f_n → f$ pointwise as $n→infty$ iff $∀x∈E ∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
$f_n → f$ uniformly as $n→infty$ iff $∀ε∈rr_{>0} ∃k∈nn ∀n∈nn_{≥k} ∀x∈E ( |f_n(x)-f(x)| < ε )$.
This is an instance of a (restricted) quantifier swap. It is a basic logic fact that one implies the other, easily summarized as "$∃∀ ⇒ ∀∃$", but the reverse implication may not hold.
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@xbh has pointed out that those are not the formal definitions of pointwise and uniform convergence. You can look up those definitions, so I hope to illustrate their difference with an intutive example: polynomial interpolation.
Suppose we want to approximate $displaystyle f(x) = frac{1}{1 + 25 x^2}$ with a polynomial.
Let $p_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ equally-spaced nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $p_n(x)$ converges pointwise to $f(x)$ in the interval (–1, 1) but diverges at the endpoints –1 and 1.
Let $q_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ Chebyshev nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $q_n(x)$ converges uniformly to $f(x)$ in the interval [–1, 1].
You can generate the plot above with more nodes:
import numpy as np
from numpy.polynomial.polynomial import polyfit, Polynomial
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
xs = np.linspace(-1, 1, 256)
def f(x): return 1.0 / (1 + 25 * x**2)
N = 16
nodes = np.cos(np.linspace(0, N, N) * np.pi / N)
interp = Polynomial(polyfit(nodes, f(nodes), N - 1))
plt.plot(xs, f(xs), "--", label = "$f(x) = (1 + 25 x^2)^{-1}$")
plt.plot(xs, interp(xs), "-", label = "$q_n(x)$")
plt.plot(nodes, f(nodes), "o")
plt.legend(frameon = False)
plt.show()
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@xbh has pointed out that those are not the formal definitions of pointwise and uniform convergence. You can look up those definitions, so I hope to illustrate their difference with an intutive example: polynomial interpolation.
Suppose we want to approximate $displaystyle f(x) = frac{1}{1 + 25 x^2}$ with a polynomial.
Let $p_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ equally-spaced nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $p_n(x)$ converges pointwise to $f(x)$ in the interval (–1, 1) but diverges at the endpoints –1 and 1.
Let $q_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ Chebyshev nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $q_n(x)$ converges uniformly to $f(x)$ in the interval [–1, 1].
You can generate the plot above with more nodes:
import numpy as np
from numpy.polynomial.polynomial import polyfit, Polynomial
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
xs = np.linspace(-1, 1, 256)
def f(x): return 1.0 / (1 + 25 * x**2)
N = 16
nodes = np.cos(np.linspace(0, N, N) * np.pi / N)
interp = Polynomial(polyfit(nodes, f(nodes), N - 1))
plt.plot(xs, f(xs), "--", label = "$f(x) = (1 + 25 x^2)^{-1}$")
plt.plot(xs, interp(xs), "-", label = "$q_n(x)$")
plt.plot(nodes, f(nodes), "o")
plt.legend(frameon = False)
plt.show()
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add a comment |
@xbh has pointed out that those are not the formal definitions of pointwise and uniform convergence. You can look up those definitions, so I hope to illustrate their difference with an intutive example: polynomial interpolation.
Suppose we want to approximate $displaystyle f(x) = frac{1}{1 + 25 x^2}$ with a polynomial.
Let $p_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ equally-spaced nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $p_n(x)$ converges pointwise to $f(x)$ in the interval (–1, 1) but diverges at the endpoints –1 and 1.
Let $q_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ Chebyshev nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $q_n(x)$ converges uniformly to $f(x)$ in the interval [–1, 1].
You can generate the plot above with more nodes:
import numpy as np
from numpy.polynomial.polynomial import polyfit, Polynomial
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
xs = np.linspace(-1, 1, 256)
def f(x): return 1.0 / (1 + 25 * x**2)
N = 16
nodes = np.cos(np.linspace(0, N, N) * np.pi / N)
interp = Polynomial(polyfit(nodes, f(nodes), N - 1))
plt.plot(xs, f(xs), "--", label = "$f(x) = (1 + 25 x^2)^{-1}$")
plt.plot(xs, interp(xs), "-", label = "$q_n(x)$")
plt.plot(nodes, f(nodes), "o")
plt.legend(frameon = False)
plt.show()
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@xbh has pointed out that those are not the formal definitions of pointwise and uniform convergence. You can look up those definitions, so I hope to illustrate their difference with an intutive example: polynomial interpolation.
Suppose we want to approximate $displaystyle f(x) = frac{1}{1 + 25 x^2}$ with a polynomial.
Let $p_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ equally-spaced nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $p_n(x)$ converges pointwise to $f(x)$ in the interval (–1, 1) but diverges at the endpoints –1 and 1.
Let $q_n(x)$ be the polynomial of degree $n-1$ that interpolates $f(x)$ on $n$ Chebyshev nodes in [–1, 1]. The plot below suggests that $q_n(x)$ converges uniformly to $f(x)$ in the interval [–1, 1].
You can generate the plot above with more nodes:
import numpy as np
from numpy.polynomial.polynomial import polyfit, Polynomial
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
xs = np.linspace(-1, 1, 256)
def f(x): return 1.0 / (1 + 25 * x**2)
N = 16
nodes = np.cos(np.linspace(0, N, N) * np.pi / N)
interp = Polynomial(polyfit(nodes, f(nodes), N - 1))
plt.plot(xs, f(xs), "--", label = "$f(x) = (1 + 25 x^2)^{-1}$")
plt.plot(xs, interp(xs), "-", label = "$q_n(x)$")
plt.plot(nodes, f(nodes), "o")
plt.legend(frameon = False)
plt.show()
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Please refer to the original definition, not the altered version. In your post, these are identical.
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