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Let continuous $f:Xtomathbb R$. $X$ is an interval of $mathbb R$.



Are the following two statements equivalent?



1) For almost every $xin X$ $exists$ open interval (neighborhood) $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave on $I$. (i.e. only countable number of $xin X$ does not have such neighborhood).



$f$ is locally convex on $I$ if $forall x,yin I$, we have $f(lambda x+(1-lambda)y)leq f(lambda x)+f((1-lambda)y)$



(In another word, epi$f(I)$ is a convex set.)



2) $forall xin X$ $exists$ (non-singleton) closed interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I$.



If they are equivalent, then, in general, why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?










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  • What do you mean by "locally convex"? Just that $f$ is convex on the corresponding interval?
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  • @0x539 Thank you very much for the note. You are right. The question is clarified.
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  • What do you mean by "$X$ is an interval of $mathbb{R}$"? Can $X$ be any one of $[a,b]$, $[a,b)$, $(a,b)$ or $(a,b]$?
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  • @user587192 How about this? For simplicity let's just consider the compact case at first.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:47






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    @mathworker21 The specific case will help me understand the situation. I agree with you overall. I will edit the question to be more specific.
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Let continuous $f:Xtomathbb R$. $X$ is an interval of $mathbb R$.



Are the following two statements equivalent?



1) For almost every $xin X$ $exists$ open interval (neighborhood) $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave on $I$. (i.e. only countable number of $xin X$ does not have such neighborhood).



$f$ is locally convex on $I$ if $forall x,yin I$, we have $f(lambda x+(1-lambda)y)leq f(lambda x)+f((1-lambda)y)$



(In another word, epi$f(I)$ is a convex set.)



2) $forall xin X$ $exists$ (non-singleton) closed interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I$.



If they are equivalent, then, in general, why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?










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  • What do you mean by "locally convex"? Just that $f$ is convex on the corresponding interval?
    – 0x539
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:19










  • @0x539 Thank you very much for the note. You are right. The question is clarified.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:41










  • What do you mean by "$X$ is an interval of $mathbb{R}$"? Can $X$ be any one of $[a,b]$, $[a,b)$, $(a,b)$ or $(a,b]$?
    – user587192
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:45












  • @user587192 How about this? For simplicity let's just consider the compact case at first.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:47






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    @mathworker21 The specific case will help me understand the situation. I agree with you overall. I will edit the question to be more specific.
    – High GPA
    Dec 27 '18 at 1:14














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Let continuous $f:Xtomathbb R$. $X$ is an interval of $mathbb R$.



Are the following two statements equivalent?



1) For almost every $xin X$ $exists$ open interval (neighborhood) $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave on $I$. (i.e. only countable number of $xin X$ does not have such neighborhood).



$f$ is locally convex on $I$ if $forall x,yin I$, we have $f(lambda x+(1-lambda)y)leq f(lambda x)+f((1-lambda)y)$



(In another word, epi$f(I)$ is a convex set.)



2) $forall xin X$ $exists$ (non-singleton) closed interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I$.



If they are equivalent, then, in general, why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?










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Let continuous $f:Xtomathbb R$. $X$ is an interval of $mathbb R$.



Are the following two statements equivalent?



1) For almost every $xin X$ $exists$ open interval (neighborhood) $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave on $I$. (i.e. only countable number of $xin X$ does not have such neighborhood).



$f$ is locally convex on $I$ if $forall x,yin I$, we have $f(lambda x+(1-lambda)y)leq f(lambda x)+f((1-lambda)y)$



(In another word, epi$f(I)$ is a convex set.)



2) $forall xin X$ $exists$ (non-singleton) closed interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I$.



If they are equivalent, then, in general, why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?







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  • What do you mean by "locally convex"? Just that $f$ is convex on the corresponding interval?
    – 0x539
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:19










  • @0x539 Thank you very much for the note. You are right. The question is clarified.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:41










  • What do you mean by "$X$ is an interval of $mathbb{R}$"? Can $X$ be any one of $[a,b]$, $[a,b)$, $(a,b)$ or $(a,b]$?
    – user587192
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:45












  • @user587192 How about this? For simplicity let's just consider the compact case at first.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:47






  • 1




    @mathworker21 The specific case will help me understand the situation. I agree with you overall. I will edit the question to be more specific.
    – High GPA
    Dec 27 '18 at 1:14


















  • What do you mean by "locally convex"? Just that $f$ is convex on the corresponding interval?
    – 0x539
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:19










  • @0x539 Thank you very much for the note. You are right. The question is clarified.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:41










  • What do you mean by "$X$ is an interval of $mathbb{R}$"? Can $X$ be any one of $[a,b]$, $[a,b)$, $(a,b)$ or $(a,b]$?
    – user587192
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:45












  • @user587192 How about this? For simplicity let's just consider the compact case at first.
    – High GPA
    Dec 26 '18 at 23:47






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    @mathworker21 The specific case will help me understand the situation. I agree with you overall. I will edit the question to be more specific.
    – High GPA
    Dec 27 '18 at 1:14
















What do you mean by "locally convex"? Just that $f$ is convex on the corresponding interval?
– 0x539
Dec 26 '18 at 23:19




What do you mean by "locally convex"? Just that $f$ is convex on the corresponding interval?
– 0x539
Dec 26 '18 at 23:19












@0x539 Thank you very much for the note. You are right. The question is clarified.
– High GPA
Dec 26 '18 at 23:41




@0x539 Thank you very much for the note. You are right. The question is clarified.
– High GPA
Dec 26 '18 at 23:41












What do you mean by "$X$ is an interval of $mathbb{R}$"? Can $X$ be any one of $[a,b]$, $[a,b)$, $(a,b)$ or $(a,b]$?
– user587192
Dec 26 '18 at 23:45






What do you mean by "$X$ is an interval of $mathbb{R}$"? Can $X$ be any one of $[a,b]$, $[a,b)$, $(a,b)$ or $(a,b]$?
– user587192
Dec 26 '18 at 23:45














@user587192 How about this? For simplicity let's just consider the compact case at first.
– High GPA
Dec 26 '18 at 23:47




@user587192 How about this? For simplicity let's just consider the compact case at first.
– High GPA
Dec 26 '18 at 23:47




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@mathworker21 The specific case will help me understand the situation. I agree with you overall. I will edit the question to be more specific.
– High GPA
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$2Rightarrow 1$. Without loss of generality we can assume that $X$ is an open subset of $Bbb R$. Let $X_{conv}$ (resp. $X_{conc}$) bet a set of all $xin X$ such that there exists an open interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is locally convex (resp. locally concave) over $I$. Assume to the contrary that (1) does not hold, that is a set $X’=Xsetminus(X_{conv}cup X_{conc})$ is uncountable. For a natural $n$ we call a point $xin X’$ an $frac 1n$-corner provided
$(x-frac 1n,x)cap X’=varnothing$ or $(x,x+frac 1n)cap X’=varnothing$. It is easy to check that among any three distinct $frac 1n$-corners we can find two with the distance between them bigger than $frac 1n$. This implies that the set of $frac 1n$-corners is countable, so there exists a point $xin X’$ which is not an $frac 1n$-corner for any natural $n$. By (2), there exists a (non-singleton) closed interval $I’ni x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I’$. Then $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over an open interval $I=operatorname{int} I’$. But $X’cap Inevarnothing$, a contradiction.



$1notRightarrow 2$. Define a function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ as follows. Put $ f(x)=0$, if $x=0$ or $x=frac 1{2n}$, with $ninBbb Zsetminus{0}$ or $|x|ge 1$. For $kinBbb Ncup{0}$ put $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+1}right)= frac 1{4k+1}$ and $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+3}right)=-frac 1{4k+3}$. Extend $ f(x)$ piesewise-linearly to the remaining $xinBbb R$. Since $f$ is linear at $Bbb R$ but a countable closed set, it satifies (1). On the other hand, on any open interval $Ini 0$, $f$ has countably infinite many zeros, so $f$ is neither convex, nor concave on $I$.






why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?




I don’t see a relation of this with the previous. For me a choice to work with open or closed neighborhoods usually is a matter of convenience. Maybe, to work with open neighborhoods
is often more convenient than with closed these.



By the way, a closed interval containing $x$ is not its neighborhood, because a neighborhood of $x$ must contain $x$ in its interior.






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    $2Rightarrow 1$. Without loss of generality we can assume that $X$ is an open subset of $Bbb R$. Let $X_{conv}$ (resp. $X_{conc}$) bet a set of all $xin X$ such that there exists an open interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is locally convex (resp. locally concave) over $I$. Assume to the contrary that (1) does not hold, that is a set $X’=Xsetminus(X_{conv}cup X_{conc})$ is uncountable. For a natural $n$ we call a point $xin X’$ an $frac 1n$-corner provided
    $(x-frac 1n,x)cap X’=varnothing$ or $(x,x+frac 1n)cap X’=varnothing$. It is easy to check that among any three distinct $frac 1n$-corners we can find two with the distance between them bigger than $frac 1n$. This implies that the set of $frac 1n$-corners is countable, so there exists a point $xin X’$ which is not an $frac 1n$-corner for any natural $n$. By (2), there exists a (non-singleton) closed interval $I’ni x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I’$. Then $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over an open interval $I=operatorname{int} I’$. But $X’cap Inevarnothing$, a contradiction.



    $1notRightarrow 2$. Define a function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ as follows. Put $ f(x)=0$, if $x=0$ or $x=frac 1{2n}$, with $ninBbb Zsetminus{0}$ or $|x|ge 1$. For $kinBbb Ncup{0}$ put $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+1}right)= frac 1{4k+1}$ and $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+3}right)=-frac 1{4k+3}$. Extend $ f(x)$ piesewise-linearly to the remaining $xinBbb R$. Since $f$ is linear at $Bbb R$ but a countable closed set, it satifies (1). On the other hand, on any open interval $Ini 0$, $f$ has countably infinite many zeros, so $f$ is neither convex, nor concave on $I$.






    why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?




    I don’t see a relation of this with the previous. For me a choice to work with open or closed neighborhoods usually is a matter of convenience. Maybe, to work with open neighborhoods
    is often more convenient than with closed these.



    By the way, a closed interval containing $x$ is not its neighborhood, because a neighborhood of $x$ must contain $x$ in its interior.






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      $2Rightarrow 1$. Without loss of generality we can assume that $X$ is an open subset of $Bbb R$. Let $X_{conv}$ (resp. $X_{conc}$) bet a set of all $xin X$ such that there exists an open interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is locally convex (resp. locally concave) over $I$. Assume to the contrary that (1) does not hold, that is a set $X’=Xsetminus(X_{conv}cup X_{conc})$ is uncountable. For a natural $n$ we call a point $xin X’$ an $frac 1n$-corner provided
      $(x-frac 1n,x)cap X’=varnothing$ or $(x,x+frac 1n)cap X’=varnothing$. It is easy to check that among any three distinct $frac 1n$-corners we can find two with the distance between them bigger than $frac 1n$. This implies that the set of $frac 1n$-corners is countable, so there exists a point $xin X’$ which is not an $frac 1n$-corner for any natural $n$. By (2), there exists a (non-singleton) closed interval $I’ni x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I’$. Then $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over an open interval $I=operatorname{int} I’$. But $X’cap Inevarnothing$, a contradiction.



      $1notRightarrow 2$. Define a function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ as follows. Put $ f(x)=0$, if $x=0$ or $x=frac 1{2n}$, with $ninBbb Zsetminus{0}$ or $|x|ge 1$. For $kinBbb Ncup{0}$ put $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+1}right)= frac 1{4k+1}$ and $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+3}right)=-frac 1{4k+3}$. Extend $ f(x)$ piesewise-linearly to the remaining $xinBbb R$. Since $f$ is linear at $Bbb R$ but a countable closed set, it satifies (1). On the other hand, on any open interval $Ini 0$, $f$ has countably infinite many zeros, so $f$ is neither convex, nor concave on $I$.






      why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?




      I don’t see a relation of this with the previous. For me a choice to work with open or closed neighborhoods usually is a matter of convenience. Maybe, to work with open neighborhoods
      is often more convenient than with closed these.



      By the way, a closed interval containing $x$ is not its neighborhood, because a neighborhood of $x$ must contain $x$ in its interior.






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        $2Rightarrow 1$. Without loss of generality we can assume that $X$ is an open subset of $Bbb R$. Let $X_{conv}$ (resp. $X_{conc}$) bet a set of all $xin X$ such that there exists an open interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is locally convex (resp. locally concave) over $I$. Assume to the contrary that (1) does not hold, that is a set $X’=Xsetminus(X_{conv}cup X_{conc})$ is uncountable. For a natural $n$ we call a point $xin X’$ an $frac 1n$-corner provided
        $(x-frac 1n,x)cap X’=varnothing$ or $(x,x+frac 1n)cap X’=varnothing$. It is easy to check that among any three distinct $frac 1n$-corners we can find two with the distance between them bigger than $frac 1n$. This implies that the set of $frac 1n$-corners is countable, so there exists a point $xin X’$ which is not an $frac 1n$-corner for any natural $n$. By (2), there exists a (non-singleton) closed interval $I’ni x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I’$. Then $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over an open interval $I=operatorname{int} I’$. But $X’cap Inevarnothing$, a contradiction.



        $1notRightarrow 2$. Define a function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ as follows. Put $ f(x)=0$, if $x=0$ or $x=frac 1{2n}$, with $ninBbb Zsetminus{0}$ or $|x|ge 1$. For $kinBbb Ncup{0}$ put $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+1}right)= frac 1{4k+1}$ and $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+3}right)=-frac 1{4k+3}$. Extend $ f(x)$ piesewise-linearly to the remaining $xinBbb R$. Since $f$ is linear at $Bbb R$ but a countable closed set, it satifies (1). On the other hand, on any open interval $Ini 0$, $f$ has countably infinite many zeros, so $f$ is neither convex, nor concave on $I$.






        why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?




        I don’t see a relation of this with the previous. For me a choice to work with open or closed neighborhoods usually is a matter of convenience. Maybe, to work with open neighborhoods
        is often more convenient than with closed these.



        By the way, a closed interval containing $x$ is not its neighborhood, because a neighborhood of $x$ must contain $x$ in its interior.






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        $2Rightarrow 1$. Without loss of generality we can assume that $X$ is an open subset of $Bbb R$. Let $X_{conv}$ (resp. $X_{conc}$) bet a set of all $xin X$ such that there exists an open interval $Ini x$ s.t. $f$ is locally convex (resp. locally concave) over $I$. Assume to the contrary that (1) does not hold, that is a set $X’=Xsetminus(X_{conv}cup X_{conc})$ is uncountable. For a natural $n$ we call a point $xin X’$ an $frac 1n$-corner provided
        $(x-frac 1n,x)cap X’=varnothing$ or $(x,x+frac 1n)cap X’=varnothing$. It is easy to check that among any three distinct $frac 1n$-corners we can find two with the distance between them bigger than $frac 1n$. This implies that the set of $frac 1n$-corners is countable, so there exists a point $xin X’$ which is not an $frac 1n$-corner for any natural $n$. By (2), there exists a (non-singleton) closed interval $I’ni x$ s.t. $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over $I’$. Then $f$ is either locally convex or locally concave over an open interval $I=operatorname{int} I’$. But $X’cap Inevarnothing$, a contradiction.



        $1notRightarrow 2$. Define a function $f:Bbb RtoBbb R$ as follows. Put $ f(x)=0$, if $x=0$ or $x=frac 1{2n}$, with $ninBbb Zsetminus{0}$ or $|x|ge 1$. For $kinBbb Ncup{0}$ put $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+1}right)= frac 1{4k+1}$ and $ fleft(pmfrac 1{4k+3}right)=-frac 1{4k+3}$. Extend $ f(x)$ piesewise-linearly to the remaining $xinBbb R$. Since $f$ is linear at $Bbb R$ but a countable closed set, it satifies (1). On the other hand, on any open interval $Ini 0$, $f$ has countably infinite many zeros, so $f$ is neither convex, nor concave on $I$.






        why people tend to use open set rather than closed set to define a neighborhood?




        I don’t see a relation of this with the previous. For me a choice to work with open or closed neighborhoods usually is a matter of convenience. Maybe, to work with open neighborhoods
        is often more convenient than with closed these.



        By the way, a closed interval containing $x$ is not its neighborhood, because a neighborhood of $x$ must contain $x$ in its interior.







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