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If $x^2-30x+y^2-40y+576=0$, find the maximum value of $dfrac xy$.




First I completed the squares and got $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2$, which is the equation of a circle.



I think I need to use some properties but I don't know what to do next.










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    Try sketching the circle and considering lines that pass through both the circle and the origin. When is the gradient maximised and minimised?
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    There are at least a few points on the circle with integer coordinates; for instance, 7 units straight up from the center, or right, or down, or left. Draw yourself a picture, find the ratios $x/y$ for those points. Actually, use a calculator and write in decimal approximations
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    just so you know, no calculus is required. Given a correct drawing of the circle, the point of interest can be constructed with compass and straightedge
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If $x^2-30x+y^2-40y+576=0$, find the maximum value of $dfrac xy$.




First I completed the squares and got $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2$, which is the equation of a circle.



I think I need to use some properties but I don't know what to do next.










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    Try sketching the circle and considering lines that pass through both the circle and the origin. When is the gradient maximised and minimised?
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    There are at least a few points on the circle with integer coordinates; for instance, 7 units straight up from the center, or right, or down, or left. Draw yourself a picture, find the ratios $x/y$ for those points. Actually, use a calculator and write in decimal approximations
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    just so you know, no calculus is required. Given a correct drawing of the circle, the point of interest can be constructed with compass and straightedge
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If $x^2-30x+y^2-40y+576=0$, find the maximum value of $dfrac xy$.




First I completed the squares and got $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2$, which is the equation of a circle.



I think I need to use some properties but I don't know what to do next.










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If $x^2-30x+y^2-40y+576=0$, find the maximum value of $dfrac xy$.




First I completed the squares and got $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2$, which is the equation of a circle.



I think I need to use some properties but I don't know what to do next.







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    Try sketching the circle and considering lines that pass through both the circle and the origin. When is the gradient maximised and minimised?
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    There are at least a few points on the circle with integer coordinates; for instance, 7 units straight up from the center, or right, or down, or left. Draw yourself a picture, find the ratios $x/y$ for those points. Actually, use a calculator and write in decimal approximations
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    just so you know, no calculus is required. Given a correct drawing of the circle, the point of interest can be constructed with compass and straightedge
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    – Will Jagy
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    Try sketching the circle and considering lines that pass through both the circle and the origin. When is the gradient maximised and minimised?
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    – B.Martin
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    There are at least a few points on the circle with integer coordinates; for instance, 7 units straight up from the center, or right, or down, or left. Draw yourself a picture, find the ratios $x/y$ for those points. Actually, use a calculator and write in decimal approximations
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    just so you know, no calculus is required. Given a correct drawing of the circle, the point of interest can be constructed with compass and straightedge
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Try sketching the circle and considering lines that pass through both the circle and the origin. When is the gradient maximised and minimised?
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Try sketching the circle and considering lines that pass through both the circle and the origin. When is the gradient maximised and minimised?
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– B.Martin
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There are at least a few points on the circle with integer coordinates; for instance, 7 units straight up from the center, or right, or down, or left. Draw yourself a picture, find the ratios $x/y$ for those points. Actually, use a calculator and write in decimal approximations
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– Will Jagy
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There are at least a few points on the circle with integer coordinates; for instance, 7 units straight up from the center, or right, or down, or left. Draw yourself a picture, find the ratios $x/y$ for those points. Actually, use a calculator and write in decimal approximations
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just so you know, no calculus is required. Given a correct drawing of the circle, the point of interest can be constructed with compass and straightedge
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just so you know, no calculus is required. Given a correct drawing of the circle, the point of interest can be constructed with compass and straightedge
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1)Circle $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2;$



Maximum of $C:= x/y:$



2) Line $y=(1/C)x = mx$ , where $m= 1/C$.



Minimize $m$(m >0 , why?)



There are 2 tangents to the circle that pass through origin.



Distance formula (point to line):



$ left | dfrac{-m(15)+ 1(20)}{sqrt{m^2+1}}right |=7.$



Quadratic equation in $m$.



Use the smaller solution $m$ to get $C_{max} (=1/m).$



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_from_a_point_to_a_line






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    Using the (7,24,25) Pythagorean triangle in the diagram, I get the tangent point
    $$ left( frac{96}{5}, frac{72}{5} right) $$
    and the maximum of $x/y$ on the circle as $4/3.$
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    $x=15+7cos2t,y=20+7sin2t$



    Use Weierstrass Substitution (https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Weierstrass_Substitution)



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      An alternative method, uses calculus. Similar to Sauhard Sharma's answer.





      First note, this is the equation of a circle centred on $(15,20)$ of radius $7$, so it does not reach the $x$ axis (otherwise you'd be able to get arbitrarily large values for $x/y$). The value of $x/y$ is obviously going to be maximised on the lower half of the circle, since these have lower values of $y$, with the same values of $x$ as the corresponding points in the upper half of the circle. So we can write $$y=20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}$$



      We want to maximise $$f=frac xy=frac{x}{20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}}$$
      The range of $x$ is $[8,22]$. First we can check if this function has any maxima (or equivalently, if its reciprocal has a minimum).



      $$frac{d(1/f)}{dx}=frac{d}{dx}left(frac{20}x-sqrt{frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2}right)=0\-frac{20}{x^2}-frac12left(-frac{49cdot2}{x^3}-2left(1-frac{15}xright)left(frac{15}{x^2}right)right)left(frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2right)^{-1/2}=0\left(frac{49}{x^3}+frac{15}{x^2}-frac{225}{x^3}right)^2=frac{400}{x^4}left(frac{49}{x^2}-1+frac{30}{x}-frac{225}{x^2}right)\left(15x-176right)^2=400left(-x^2+{30}x-176right)\625x^2-17280x+101396=0$$This has solutions $$x_pm=frac{1728}{125}pmfrac{2sqrt{112771}}{125}$$ To maximise $x/y$, we choose the largest value of $x$, giving $x_+=19.197dots$, which corresponds to $y=14.3977dots$. This gives $$frac xy=1.3333dotsapproxfrac43$$






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        I used straight up calculus here to get the answer.



        Let's start with the fact that the maximum point will have to satisfy the circle equation. So writing



        $$x = 15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}$$
        We get the ratio as



        $$R = frac{15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}}{y}$$



        Differentiating this and setting to $0$ would give you a long and harrowing equation to solve which would result in this



        $$625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$$
        Solving this you'd get two values $y=22.464$ or $y=14.39999$



        Checking the corresponding ratios(we ignore the negative values as they will only lower $x$ and hence cannot be a part of maxima). Between the two values and testing random values on the boundary of the circle, we conclude that the maximum is for $y=14.399999$, we get an $x=19.199999$ resulting in a ratio of



        $$frac xy = 1.3333$$



        NOTE - I left out a lot of intermediary equation solving which is not difficult, just time consuming and complex. If you want I can add that as well






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          Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
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        Let $frac{x}{y}=k$.



        Thus, $x=ky$ and the equation
        $$k^2y^2-30ky+y^2-40y+576=0$$ or
        $$(k^2+1)y^2-2(15k+20)y+576=0$$ has real roots, which says that the discriminant must be non-negative.



        Id est, $$(15k+20)^2-576(k^2+1)geq0$$ or
        $$351k^2-600k+176leq0$$ or
        $$frac{44}{117}leq kleqfrac{4}{3}.$$
        The value $frac{4}{3}$ occurs for $$y=frac{15k+20}{k^2+1}=14.4$$ and $$x=14.4cdotfrac{4}{3}=19.2,$$ which says that $frac{4}{3}$ is a maximal value.






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          This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
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          @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
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        1)Circle $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2;$



        Maximum of $C:= x/y:$



        2) Line $y=(1/C)x = mx$ , where $m= 1/C$.



        Minimize $m$(m >0 , why?)



        There are 2 tangents to the circle that pass through origin.



        Distance formula (point to line):



        $ left | dfrac{-m(15)+ 1(20)}{sqrt{m^2+1}}right |=7.$



        Quadratic equation in $m$.



        Use the smaller solution $m$ to get $C_{max} (=1/m).$



        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_from_a_point_to_a_line






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          1)Circle $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2;$



          Maximum of $C:= x/y:$



          2) Line $y=(1/C)x = mx$ , where $m= 1/C$.



          Minimize $m$(m >0 , why?)



          There are 2 tangents to the circle that pass through origin.



          Distance formula (point to line):



          $ left | dfrac{-m(15)+ 1(20)}{sqrt{m^2+1}}right |=7.$



          Quadratic equation in $m$.



          Use the smaller solution $m$ to get $C_{max} (=1/m).$



          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_from_a_point_to_a_line






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            1)Circle $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2;$



            Maximum of $C:= x/y:$



            2) Line $y=(1/C)x = mx$ , where $m= 1/C$.



            Minimize $m$(m >0 , why?)



            There are 2 tangents to the circle that pass through origin.



            Distance formula (point to line):



            $ left | dfrac{-m(15)+ 1(20)}{sqrt{m^2+1}}right |=7.$



            Quadratic equation in $m$.



            Use the smaller solution $m$ to get $C_{max} (=1/m).$



            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_from_a_point_to_a_line






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            1)Circle $(x-15)^2+(y-20)^2=7^2;$



            Maximum of $C:= x/y:$



            2) Line $y=(1/C)x = mx$ , where $m= 1/C$.



            Minimize $m$(m >0 , why?)



            There are 2 tangents to the circle that pass through origin.



            Distance formula (point to line):



            $ left | dfrac{-m(15)+ 1(20)}{sqrt{m^2+1}}right |=7.$



            Quadratic equation in $m$.



            Use the smaller solution $m$ to get $C_{max} (=1/m).$



            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_from_a_point_to_a_line







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                Using the (7,24,25) Pythagorean triangle in the diagram, I get the tangent point
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                and the maximum of $x/y$ on the circle as $4/3.$
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                Using the (7,24,25) Pythagorean triangle in the diagram, I get the tangent point
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                and the maximum of $x/y$ on the circle as $4/3.$
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                Using the (7,24,25) Pythagorean triangle in the diagram, I get the tangent point
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                and the maximum of $x/y$ on the circle as $4/3.$
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                $x=15+7cos2t,y=20+7sin2t$



                Use Weierstrass Substitution (https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Weierstrass_Substitution)



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                        An alternative method, uses calculus. Similar to Sauhard Sharma's answer.





                        First note, this is the equation of a circle centred on $(15,20)$ of radius $7$, so it does not reach the $x$ axis (otherwise you'd be able to get arbitrarily large values for $x/y$). The value of $x/y$ is obviously going to be maximised on the lower half of the circle, since these have lower values of $y$, with the same values of $x$ as the corresponding points in the upper half of the circle. So we can write $$y=20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}$$



                        We want to maximise $$f=frac xy=frac{x}{20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}}$$
                        The range of $x$ is $[8,22]$. First we can check if this function has any maxima (or equivalently, if its reciprocal has a minimum).



                        $$frac{d(1/f)}{dx}=frac{d}{dx}left(frac{20}x-sqrt{frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2}right)=0\-frac{20}{x^2}-frac12left(-frac{49cdot2}{x^3}-2left(1-frac{15}xright)left(frac{15}{x^2}right)right)left(frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2right)^{-1/2}=0\left(frac{49}{x^3}+frac{15}{x^2}-frac{225}{x^3}right)^2=frac{400}{x^4}left(frac{49}{x^2}-1+frac{30}{x}-frac{225}{x^2}right)\left(15x-176right)^2=400left(-x^2+{30}x-176right)\625x^2-17280x+101396=0$$This has solutions $$x_pm=frac{1728}{125}pmfrac{2sqrt{112771}}{125}$$ To maximise $x/y$, we choose the largest value of $x$, giving $x_+=19.197dots$, which corresponds to $y=14.3977dots$. This gives $$frac xy=1.3333dotsapproxfrac43$$






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                          An alternative method, uses calculus. Similar to Sauhard Sharma's answer.





                          First note, this is the equation of a circle centred on $(15,20)$ of radius $7$, so it does not reach the $x$ axis (otherwise you'd be able to get arbitrarily large values for $x/y$). The value of $x/y$ is obviously going to be maximised on the lower half of the circle, since these have lower values of $y$, with the same values of $x$ as the corresponding points in the upper half of the circle. So we can write $$y=20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}$$



                          We want to maximise $$f=frac xy=frac{x}{20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}}$$
                          The range of $x$ is $[8,22]$. First we can check if this function has any maxima (or equivalently, if its reciprocal has a minimum).



                          $$frac{d(1/f)}{dx}=frac{d}{dx}left(frac{20}x-sqrt{frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2}right)=0\-frac{20}{x^2}-frac12left(-frac{49cdot2}{x^3}-2left(1-frac{15}xright)left(frac{15}{x^2}right)right)left(frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2right)^{-1/2}=0\left(frac{49}{x^3}+frac{15}{x^2}-frac{225}{x^3}right)^2=frac{400}{x^4}left(frac{49}{x^2}-1+frac{30}{x}-frac{225}{x^2}right)\left(15x-176right)^2=400left(-x^2+{30}x-176right)\625x^2-17280x+101396=0$$This has solutions $$x_pm=frac{1728}{125}pmfrac{2sqrt{112771}}{125}$$ To maximise $x/y$, we choose the largest value of $x$, giving $x_+=19.197dots$, which corresponds to $y=14.3977dots$. This gives $$frac xy=1.3333dotsapproxfrac43$$






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                            An alternative method, uses calculus. Similar to Sauhard Sharma's answer.





                            First note, this is the equation of a circle centred on $(15,20)$ of radius $7$, so it does not reach the $x$ axis (otherwise you'd be able to get arbitrarily large values for $x/y$). The value of $x/y$ is obviously going to be maximised on the lower half of the circle, since these have lower values of $y$, with the same values of $x$ as the corresponding points in the upper half of the circle. So we can write $$y=20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}$$



                            We want to maximise $$f=frac xy=frac{x}{20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}}$$
                            The range of $x$ is $[8,22]$. First we can check if this function has any maxima (or equivalently, if its reciprocal has a minimum).



                            $$frac{d(1/f)}{dx}=frac{d}{dx}left(frac{20}x-sqrt{frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2}right)=0\-frac{20}{x^2}-frac12left(-frac{49cdot2}{x^3}-2left(1-frac{15}xright)left(frac{15}{x^2}right)right)left(frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2right)^{-1/2}=0\left(frac{49}{x^3}+frac{15}{x^2}-frac{225}{x^3}right)^2=frac{400}{x^4}left(frac{49}{x^2}-1+frac{30}{x}-frac{225}{x^2}right)\left(15x-176right)^2=400left(-x^2+{30}x-176right)\625x^2-17280x+101396=0$$This has solutions $$x_pm=frac{1728}{125}pmfrac{2sqrt{112771}}{125}$$ To maximise $x/y$, we choose the largest value of $x$, giving $x_+=19.197dots$, which corresponds to $y=14.3977dots$. This gives $$frac xy=1.3333dotsapproxfrac43$$






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                            An alternative method, uses calculus. Similar to Sauhard Sharma's answer.





                            First note, this is the equation of a circle centred on $(15,20)$ of radius $7$, so it does not reach the $x$ axis (otherwise you'd be able to get arbitrarily large values for $x/y$). The value of $x/y$ is obviously going to be maximised on the lower half of the circle, since these have lower values of $y$, with the same values of $x$ as the corresponding points in the upper half of the circle. So we can write $$y=20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}$$



                            We want to maximise $$f=frac xy=frac{x}{20-sqrt{49-(x-15)^2}}$$
                            The range of $x$ is $[8,22]$. First we can check if this function has any maxima (or equivalently, if its reciprocal has a minimum).



                            $$frac{d(1/f)}{dx}=frac{d}{dx}left(frac{20}x-sqrt{frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2}right)=0\-frac{20}{x^2}-frac12left(-frac{49cdot2}{x^3}-2left(1-frac{15}xright)left(frac{15}{x^2}right)right)left(frac{49}{x^2}-left(1-frac{15}xright)^2right)^{-1/2}=0\left(frac{49}{x^3}+frac{15}{x^2}-frac{225}{x^3}right)^2=frac{400}{x^4}left(frac{49}{x^2}-1+frac{30}{x}-frac{225}{x^2}right)\left(15x-176right)^2=400left(-x^2+{30}x-176right)\625x^2-17280x+101396=0$$This has solutions $$x_pm=frac{1728}{125}pmfrac{2sqrt{112771}}{125}$$ To maximise $x/y$, we choose the largest value of $x$, giving $x_+=19.197dots$, which corresponds to $y=14.3977dots$. This gives $$frac xy=1.3333dotsapproxfrac43$$







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                            answered Jan 8 at 5:00









                            John DoeJohn Doe

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                                I used straight up calculus here to get the answer.



                                Let's start with the fact that the maximum point will have to satisfy the circle equation. So writing



                                $$x = 15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}$$
                                We get the ratio as



                                $$R = frac{15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}}{y}$$



                                Differentiating this and setting to $0$ would give you a long and harrowing equation to solve which would result in this



                                $$625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$$
                                Solving this you'd get two values $y=22.464$ or $y=14.39999$



                                Checking the corresponding ratios(we ignore the negative values as they will only lower $x$ and hence cannot be a part of maxima). Between the two values and testing random values on the boundary of the circle, we conclude that the maximum is for $y=14.399999$, we get an $x=19.199999$ resulting in a ratio of



                                $$frac xy = 1.3333$$



                                NOTE - I left out a lot of intermediary equation solving which is not difficult, just time consuming and complex. If you want I can add that as well






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                                  Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
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                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 5:53










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @ClaudeLeibovici I used an online quadratic equation solver to solve it :)
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Sauhard Sharma
                                  Jan 8 at 6:20










                                • $begingroup$
                                  First, it was for kidding ! Second, I did it with my phone !! Cheers.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 6:24
















                                1












                                $begingroup$

                                I used straight up calculus here to get the answer.



                                Let's start with the fact that the maximum point will have to satisfy the circle equation. So writing



                                $$x = 15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}$$
                                We get the ratio as



                                $$R = frac{15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}}{y}$$



                                Differentiating this and setting to $0$ would give you a long and harrowing equation to solve which would result in this



                                $$625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$$
                                Solving this you'd get two values $y=22.464$ or $y=14.39999$



                                Checking the corresponding ratios(we ignore the negative values as they will only lower $x$ and hence cannot be a part of maxima). Between the two values and testing random values on the boundary of the circle, we conclude that the maximum is for $y=14.399999$, we get an $x=19.199999$ resulting in a ratio of



                                $$frac xy = 1.3333$$



                                NOTE - I left out a lot of intermediary equation solving which is not difficult, just time consuming and complex. If you want I can add that as well






                                share|cite|improve this answer











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                                • $begingroup$
                                  Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 5:53










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @ClaudeLeibovici I used an online quadratic equation solver to solve it :)
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Sauhard Sharma
                                  Jan 8 at 6:20










                                • $begingroup$
                                  First, it was for kidding ! Second, I did it with my phone !! Cheers.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 6:24














                                1












                                1








                                1





                                $begingroup$

                                I used straight up calculus here to get the answer.



                                Let's start with the fact that the maximum point will have to satisfy the circle equation. So writing



                                $$x = 15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}$$
                                We get the ratio as



                                $$R = frac{15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}}{y}$$



                                Differentiating this and setting to $0$ would give you a long and harrowing equation to solve which would result in this



                                $$625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$$
                                Solving this you'd get two values $y=22.464$ or $y=14.39999$



                                Checking the corresponding ratios(we ignore the negative values as they will only lower $x$ and hence cannot be a part of maxima). Between the two values and testing random values on the boundary of the circle, we conclude that the maximum is for $y=14.399999$, we get an $x=19.199999$ resulting in a ratio of



                                $$frac xy = 1.3333$$



                                NOTE - I left out a lot of intermediary equation solving which is not difficult, just time consuming and complex. If you want I can add that as well






                                share|cite|improve this answer











                                $endgroup$



                                I used straight up calculus here to get the answer.



                                Let's start with the fact that the maximum point will have to satisfy the circle equation. So writing



                                $$x = 15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}$$
                                We get the ratio as



                                $$R = frac{15 + sqrt{49 - (y-20)^2}}{y}$$



                                Differentiating this and setting to $0$ would give you a long and harrowing equation to solve which would result in this



                                $$625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$$
                                Solving this you'd get two values $y=22.464$ or $y=14.39999$



                                Checking the corresponding ratios(we ignore the negative values as they will only lower $x$ and hence cannot be a part of maxima). Between the two values and testing random values on the boundary of the circle, we conclude that the maximum is for $y=14.399999$, we get an $x=19.199999$ resulting in a ratio of



                                $$frac xy = 1.3333$$



                                NOTE - I left out a lot of intermediary equation solving which is not difficult, just time consuming and complex. If you want I can add that as well







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                                answered Jan 8 at 4:15









                                Sauhard SharmaSauhard Sharma

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                                • $begingroup$
                                  Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 5:53










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @ClaudeLeibovici I used an online quadratic equation solver to solve it :)
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Sauhard Sharma
                                  Jan 8 at 6:20










                                • $begingroup$
                                  First, it was for kidding ! Second, I did it with my phone !! Cheers.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 6:24


















                                • $begingroup$
                                  Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 5:53










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @ClaudeLeibovici I used an online quadratic equation solver to solve it :)
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Sauhard Sharma
                                  Jan 8 at 6:20










                                • $begingroup$
                                  First, it was for kidding ! Second, I did it with my phone !! Cheers.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Claude Leibovici
                                  Jan 8 at 6:24
















                                $begingroup$
                                Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
                                $endgroup$
                                – Claude Leibovici
                                Jan 8 at 5:53




                                $begingroup$
                                Just to kidd you, solving $625y^2 -23040y +202176=0$ gives as exact solutions $y_1=frac {72}5=22.464$ and $y_2=frac{2808}{125}=14.4$
                                $endgroup$
                                – Claude Leibovici
                                Jan 8 at 5:53












                                $begingroup$
                                @ClaudeLeibovici I used an online quadratic equation solver to solve it :)
                                $endgroup$
                                – Sauhard Sharma
                                Jan 8 at 6:20




                                $begingroup$
                                @ClaudeLeibovici I used an online quadratic equation solver to solve it :)
                                $endgroup$
                                – Sauhard Sharma
                                Jan 8 at 6:20












                                $begingroup$
                                First, it was for kidding ! Second, I did it with my phone !! Cheers.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Claude Leibovici
                                Jan 8 at 6:24




                                $begingroup$
                                First, it was for kidding ! Second, I did it with my phone !! Cheers.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Claude Leibovici
                                Jan 8 at 6:24











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                                Let $frac{x}{y}=k$.



                                Thus, $x=ky$ and the equation
                                $$k^2y^2-30ky+y^2-40y+576=0$$ or
                                $$(k^2+1)y^2-2(15k+20)y+576=0$$ has real roots, which says that the discriminant must be non-negative.



                                Id est, $$(15k+20)^2-576(k^2+1)geq0$$ or
                                $$351k^2-600k+176leq0$$ or
                                $$frac{44}{117}leq kleqfrac{4}{3}.$$
                                The value $frac{4}{3}$ occurs for $$y=frac{15k+20}{k^2+1}=14.4$$ and $$x=14.4cdotfrac{4}{3}=19.2,$$ which says that $frac{4}{3}$ is a maximal value.






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                                  This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Heart
                                  Jan 8 at 12:05










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                                  @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Michael Rozenberg
                                  Jan 8 at 12:12
















                                1












                                $begingroup$

                                Let $frac{x}{y}=k$.



                                Thus, $x=ky$ and the equation
                                $$k^2y^2-30ky+y^2-40y+576=0$$ or
                                $$(k^2+1)y^2-2(15k+20)y+576=0$$ has real roots, which says that the discriminant must be non-negative.



                                Id est, $$(15k+20)^2-576(k^2+1)geq0$$ or
                                $$351k^2-600k+176leq0$$ or
                                $$frac{44}{117}leq kleqfrac{4}{3}.$$
                                The value $frac{4}{3}$ occurs for $$y=frac{15k+20}{k^2+1}=14.4$$ and $$x=14.4cdotfrac{4}{3}=19.2,$$ which says that $frac{4}{3}$ is a maximal value.






                                share|cite|improve this answer









                                $endgroup$













                                • $begingroup$
                                  This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Heart
                                  Jan 8 at 12:05










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Michael Rozenberg
                                  Jan 8 at 12:12














                                1












                                1








                                1





                                $begingroup$

                                Let $frac{x}{y}=k$.



                                Thus, $x=ky$ and the equation
                                $$k^2y^2-30ky+y^2-40y+576=0$$ or
                                $$(k^2+1)y^2-2(15k+20)y+576=0$$ has real roots, which says that the discriminant must be non-negative.



                                Id est, $$(15k+20)^2-576(k^2+1)geq0$$ or
                                $$351k^2-600k+176leq0$$ or
                                $$frac{44}{117}leq kleqfrac{4}{3}.$$
                                The value $frac{4}{3}$ occurs for $$y=frac{15k+20}{k^2+1}=14.4$$ and $$x=14.4cdotfrac{4}{3}=19.2,$$ which says that $frac{4}{3}$ is a maximal value.






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                                Let $frac{x}{y}=k$.



                                Thus, $x=ky$ and the equation
                                $$k^2y^2-30ky+y^2-40y+576=0$$ or
                                $$(k^2+1)y^2-2(15k+20)y+576=0$$ has real roots, which says that the discriminant must be non-negative.



                                Id est, $$(15k+20)^2-576(k^2+1)geq0$$ or
                                $$351k^2-600k+176leq0$$ or
                                $$frac{44}{117}leq kleqfrac{4}{3}.$$
                                The value $frac{4}{3}$ occurs for $$y=frac{15k+20}{k^2+1}=14.4$$ and $$x=14.4cdotfrac{4}{3}=19.2,$$ which says that $frac{4}{3}$ is a maximal value.







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                                answered Jan 8 at 10:11









                                Michael RozenbergMichael Rozenberg

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                                • $begingroup$
                                  This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Heart
                                  Jan 8 at 12:05










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Michael Rozenberg
                                  Jan 8 at 12:12


















                                • $begingroup$
                                  This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Heart
                                  Jan 8 at 12:05










                                • $begingroup$
                                  @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Michael Rozenberg
                                  Jan 8 at 12:12
















                                $begingroup$
                                This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Heart
                                Jan 8 at 12:05




                                $begingroup$
                                This solution is good too , But this problem is in circle form so your idea is work and helpful in another problem thx.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Heart
                                Jan 8 at 12:05












                                $begingroup$
                                @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Michael Rozenberg
                                Jan 8 at 12:12




                                $begingroup$
                                @Heart It works for any quadratic form.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Michael Rozenberg
                                Jan 8 at 12:12


















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