Show that $ x = n^b$, $ y = n^a$ for some integer $ n$ greater than $1$.












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If $ a$, $ b$, $ x$, $ y$ are integers greater than $1$ such that $ a$ and $ b$ have no common factor except $1$ and $ x^a = y^b$ show that $ x = n^b$, $ y = n^a$ for some integer $ n$ greater than $1$.



I started this way: $x^a=y^b$ $=>$ $x=y^{b/a}=(y^{1/a})^b$. Thus $x$ is an integer, and so is $y^{1/a}$, so $y=n^a$ for some integer $n$ greater than $1$. Then from the given relation, we get $x=n^b$.



I am not very convinced with my solution, as I feel I did some mistake. Can anyone point out where the mistake is? Any other solution is also welcome :)










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If $ a$, $ b$, $ x$, $ y$ are integers greater than $1$ such that $ a$ and $ b$ have no common factor except $1$ and $ x^a = y^b$ show that $ x = n^b$, $ y = n^a$ for some integer $ n$ greater than $1$.



I started this way: $x^a=y^b$ $=>$ $x=y^{b/a}=(y^{1/a})^b$. Thus $x$ is an integer, and so is $y^{1/a}$, so $y=n^a$ for some integer $n$ greater than $1$. Then from the given relation, we get $x=n^b$.



I am not very convinced with my solution, as I feel I did some mistake. Can anyone point out where the mistake is? Any other solution is also welcome :)










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    ${sqrt 2}^2=2$ but ${sqrt 2}$ is not an integer.
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If $ a$, $ b$, $ x$, $ y$ are integers greater than $1$ such that $ a$ and $ b$ have no common factor except $1$ and $ x^a = y^b$ show that $ x = n^b$, $ y = n^a$ for some integer $ n$ greater than $1$.



I started this way: $x^a=y^b$ $=>$ $x=y^{b/a}=(y^{1/a})^b$. Thus $x$ is an integer, and so is $y^{1/a}$, so $y=n^a$ for some integer $n$ greater than $1$. Then from the given relation, we get $x=n^b$.



I am not very convinced with my solution, as I feel I did some mistake. Can anyone point out where the mistake is? Any other solution is also welcome :)










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If $ a$, $ b$, $ x$, $ y$ are integers greater than $1$ such that $ a$ and $ b$ have no common factor except $1$ and $ x^a = y^b$ show that $ x = n^b$, $ y = n^a$ for some integer $ n$ greater than $1$.



I started this way: $x^a=y^b$ $=>$ $x=y^{b/a}=(y^{1/a})^b$. Thus $x$ is an integer, and so is $y^{1/a}$, so $y=n^a$ for some integer $n$ greater than $1$. Then from the given relation, we get $x=n^b$.



I am not very convinced with my solution, as I feel I did some mistake. Can anyone point out where the mistake is? Any other solution is also welcome :)







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Note that set of primes dividing $x$ and $y$ are same. Take any prime $p$ diving $x$(and
hence $y$), and let $alpha$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $x$ and $beta$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $y$. Then $x^a=y^b implies p^{alpha a}=p^{beta b}$, which implies $a|beta b $ and $b| alpha a$. But remember that $gcd(a,b)=1$. So, $a|beta$ and $b|alpha$.



Suppose, $beta= acdot beta_p$ and $alpha=bcdot alpha_p$. Then we have, $alpha a=beta b$ or, $balpha_pa =abeta_p b$ or, $alpha_p=beta_p$. So, for each prime $p$ diving $x$, we have such $alpha_p$. Check that $n=prod_{p|n}p^{alpha_p}$ satisfies the required property.






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    Hint You can find some $k,l in mathbb Z$ such that
    $$ka+lb=1$$



    Then
    $$n=n^{ka+lb}=(n^a)^kcdot(n^b)^l$$



    Now, if you want $x = n^b, y=n^a$ then the only possible choice for $n$ is
    $$n=??$$



    Just prove that this is an integer and that this choice works.






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      $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
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      But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
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      @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
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      Oh alright, thanks
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    Mimic $rmcolor{#c00}{subtractive}$ Euclidean algorithm on $color{#c00}{(a,b)}.,$ Clear if $,a=b,$ by $,a,b,$ coprime $,Rightarrow, a=b=1$



    Else wlog $,a > b,$ therefore $ x^{largecolor{#c00}{a-b}} = (y/x)^{large color{#c00}b},$ and $,y/xinBbb Z,$ via Rational Root Test.



    By induction we infer $, x = n^{large b}, y/x = n^{large a-b} Rightarrow, y = n^{large a}$






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      Induction? What do you induct on?
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      @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
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      Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
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    This is a multiplicative form of the following well known result about fractions, and its proof follows immediately by translating well-known additive proofs into multiplicative form, for example:



    $aj!+!bk=1, {xa=yb},Rightarrow, bbox[5px,border:1px solid red]{dfrac{y}x = dfrac{a}b,Rightarrow,begin{align},y = na\ x = nbend{align}} {rm for some}, ninBbb Z, $ with proof as follows



    $begin{align}
    color{#c00}{xa=yb},Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x(color{#c00}aj!+!bk) = (color{#c00}yj!+!xk)color{#c00}b = n b,, y = color{#c00}y(color{#c00}bk!+!aj) = (yj!+!color{#c00}xk)color{#c00}a = n a\[.3em]
    color{#c00}{x^{Large a}= y^{Large b}}Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x^{Large color{#c00}aj,+,kb} = (color{#c00}y^{Large j}! cdot x^{Large k})^{Large color{#c00}b} = n^{Large b}, y = color{#c00}y^{Largecolor{#c00} bk,+,aj} = (y^{Large j}! cdot color{#c00}x^{Large k})^{Largecolor{#c00} a} = n^{Large a}
    end{align}$



    Note $, n = y^{large j} x^{large k},$ is a rational root of $,n^{large a} = yinBbb Z,$ so $,ninBbb Z,$ by the Rational Root Test.



    Remark $ $ The analogy between additive and multiplicative forms will be clarified when one studies abelian groups as $Bbb Z!-!$ modules. The fundamental result about principality of fractions is sometimes called Unique Fractionization to emphasize its close relationship with unique factorization.






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      Here is an alternate method.



      Note that set of primes dividing $x$ and $y$ are same. Take any prime $p$ diving $x$(and
      hence $y$), and let $alpha$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $x$ and $beta$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $y$. Then $x^a=y^b implies p^{alpha a}=p^{beta b}$, which implies $a|beta b $ and $b| alpha a$. But remember that $gcd(a,b)=1$. So, $a|beta$ and $b|alpha$.



      Suppose, $beta= acdot beta_p$ and $alpha=bcdot alpha_p$. Then we have, $alpha a=beta b$ or, $balpha_pa =abeta_p b$ or, $alpha_p=beta_p$. So, for each prime $p$ diving $x$, we have such $alpha_p$. Check that $n=prod_{p|n}p^{alpha_p}$ satisfies the required property.






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        Note that set of primes dividing $x$ and $y$ are same. Take any prime $p$ diving $x$(and
        hence $y$), and let $alpha$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $x$ and $beta$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $y$. Then $x^a=y^b implies p^{alpha a}=p^{beta b}$, which implies $a|beta b $ and $b| alpha a$. But remember that $gcd(a,b)=1$. So, $a|beta$ and $b|alpha$.



        Suppose, $beta= acdot beta_p$ and $alpha=bcdot alpha_p$. Then we have, $alpha a=beta b$ or, $balpha_pa =abeta_p b$ or, $alpha_p=beta_p$. So, for each prime $p$ diving $x$, we have such $alpha_p$. Check that $n=prod_{p|n}p^{alpha_p}$ satisfies the required property.






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          Here is an alternate method.



          Note that set of primes dividing $x$ and $y$ are same. Take any prime $p$ diving $x$(and
          hence $y$), and let $alpha$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $x$ and $beta$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $y$. Then $x^a=y^b implies p^{alpha a}=p^{beta b}$, which implies $a|beta b $ and $b| alpha a$. But remember that $gcd(a,b)=1$. So, $a|beta$ and $b|alpha$.



          Suppose, $beta= acdot beta_p$ and $alpha=bcdot alpha_p$. Then we have, $alpha a=beta b$ or, $balpha_pa =abeta_p b$ or, $alpha_p=beta_p$. So, for each prime $p$ diving $x$, we have such $alpha_p$. Check that $n=prod_{p|n}p^{alpha_p}$ satisfies the required property.






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          Here is an alternate method.



          Note that set of primes dividing $x$ and $y$ are same. Take any prime $p$ diving $x$(and
          hence $y$), and let $alpha$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $x$ and $beta$ is the maximum power of $p$ in $y$. Then $x^a=y^b implies p^{alpha a}=p^{beta b}$, which implies $a|beta b $ and $b| alpha a$. But remember that $gcd(a,b)=1$. So, $a|beta$ and $b|alpha$.



          Suppose, $beta= acdot beta_p$ and $alpha=bcdot alpha_p$. Then we have, $alpha a=beta b$ or, $balpha_pa =abeta_p b$ or, $alpha_p=beta_p$. So, for each prime $p$ diving $x$, we have such $alpha_p$. Check that $n=prod_{p|n}p^{alpha_p}$ satisfies the required property.







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              Hint You can find some $k,l in mathbb Z$ such that
              $$ka+lb=1$$



              Then
              $$n=n^{ka+lb}=(n^a)^kcdot(n^b)^l$$



              Now, if you want $x = n^b, y=n^a$ then the only possible choice for $n$ is
              $$n=??$$



              Just prove that this is an integer and that this choice works.






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                $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
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                But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
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                @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
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                Oh alright, thanks
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                The precise intent of the hint will likely be far from clear for many readers. Please provide further details.
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              Hint You can find some $k,l in mathbb Z$ such that
              $$ka+lb=1$$



              Then
              $$n=n^{ka+lb}=(n^a)^kcdot(n^b)^l$$



              Now, if you want $x = n^b, y=n^a$ then the only possible choice for $n$ is
              $$n=??$$



              Just prove that this is an integer and that this choice works.






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                $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
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                But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
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                @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
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                Jan 8 at 18:18










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                Oh alright, thanks
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                The precise intent of the hint will likely be far from clear for many readers. Please provide further details.
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              Hint You can find some $k,l in mathbb Z$ such that
              $$ka+lb=1$$



              Then
              $$n=n^{ka+lb}=(n^a)^kcdot(n^b)^l$$



              Now, if you want $x = n^b, y=n^a$ then the only possible choice for $n$ is
              $$n=??$$



              Just prove that this is an integer and that this choice works.






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              Hint You can find some $k,l in mathbb Z$ such that
              $$ka+lb=1$$



              Then
              $$n=n^{ka+lb}=(n^a)^kcdot(n^b)^l$$



              Now, if you want $x = n^b, y=n^a$ then the only possible choice for $n$ is
              $$n=??$$



              Just prove that this is an integer and that this choice works.







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                $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 8 at 4:40










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                But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
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                @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
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                – N. S.
                Jan 8 at 18:18










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                Oh alright, thanks
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              • $begingroup$
                The precise intent of the hint will likely be far from clear for many readers. Please provide further details.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Jan 9 at 16:24


















              • $begingroup$
                $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 8 at 4:40










              • $begingroup$
                But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 8 at 17:51










              • $begingroup$
                @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
                $endgroup$
                – N. S.
                Jan 8 at 18:18










              • $begingroup$
                Oh alright, thanks
                $endgroup$
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                Jan 8 at 18:34










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                The precise intent of the hint will likely be far from clear for many readers. Please provide further details.
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              $begingroup$
              $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
              $endgroup$
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              Jan 8 at 4:40




              $begingroup$
              $n=y^kx^l?$ Is that what you mean?
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              $begingroup$
              But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
              $endgroup$
              – Yellow
              Jan 8 at 17:51




              $begingroup$
              But $k$ and $l$ may be negative right?
              $endgroup$
              – Yellow
              Jan 8 at 17:51












              $begingroup$
              @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
              $endgroup$
              – N. S.
              Jan 8 at 18:18




              $begingroup$
              @AnuRadha True. But with this choice you can show that $x=n^b, y=n^a$ and deduce from here that $n$ is integer.
              $endgroup$
              – N. S.
              Jan 8 at 18:18












              $begingroup$
              Oh alright, thanks
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              Jan 8 at 18:34




              $begingroup$
              Oh alright, thanks
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              Jan 8 at 18:34












              $begingroup$
              The precise intent of the hint will likely be far from clear for many readers. Please provide further details.
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Jan 9 at 16:24




              $begingroup$
              The precise intent of the hint will likely be far from clear for many readers. Please provide further details.
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              Jan 9 at 16:24











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              Mimic $rmcolor{#c00}{subtractive}$ Euclidean algorithm on $color{#c00}{(a,b)}.,$ Clear if $,a=b,$ by $,a,b,$ coprime $,Rightarrow, a=b=1$



              Else wlog $,a > b,$ therefore $ x^{largecolor{#c00}{a-b}} = (y/x)^{large color{#c00}b},$ and $,y/xinBbb Z,$ via Rational Root Test.



              By induction we infer $, x = n^{large b}, y/x = n^{large a-b} Rightarrow, y = n^{large a}$






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                Induction? What do you induct on?
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                @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
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              • $begingroup$
                Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
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              $begingroup$

              Mimic $rmcolor{#c00}{subtractive}$ Euclidean algorithm on $color{#c00}{(a,b)}.,$ Clear if $,a=b,$ by $,a,b,$ coprime $,Rightarrow, a=b=1$



              Else wlog $,a > b,$ therefore $ x^{largecolor{#c00}{a-b}} = (y/x)^{large color{#c00}b},$ and $,y/xinBbb Z,$ via Rational Root Test.



              By induction we infer $, x = n^{large b}, y/x = n^{large a-b} Rightarrow, y = n^{large a}$






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                Induction? What do you induct on?
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              • $begingroup$
                @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Jan 9 at 17:44












              • $begingroup$
                Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
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                – Yellow
                Jan 9 at 17:58














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              Mimic $rmcolor{#c00}{subtractive}$ Euclidean algorithm on $color{#c00}{(a,b)}.,$ Clear if $,a=b,$ by $,a,b,$ coprime $,Rightarrow, a=b=1$



              Else wlog $,a > b,$ therefore $ x^{largecolor{#c00}{a-b}} = (y/x)^{large color{#c00}b},$ and $,y/xinBbb Z,$ via Rational Root Test.



              By induction we infer $, x = n^{large b}, y/x = n^{large a-b} Rightarrow, y = n^{large a}$






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              Mimic $rmcolor{#c00}{subtractive}$ Euclidean algorithm on $color{#c00}{(a,b)}.,$ Clear if $,a=b,$ by $,a,b,$ coprime $,Rightarrow, a=b=1$



              Else wlog $,a > b,$ therefore $ x^{largecolor{#c00}{a-b}} = (y/x)^{large color{#c00}b},$ and $,y/xinBbb Z,$ via Rational Root Test.



              By induction we infer $, x = n^{large b}, y/x = n^{large a-b} Rightarrow, y = n^{large a}$







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              • $begingroup$
                Induction? What do you induct on?
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 9 at 16:51










              • $begingroup$
                @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
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              • $begingroup$
                Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 9 at 17:58


















              • $begingroup$
                Induction? What do you induct on?
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 9 at 16:51










              • $begingroup$
                @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Jan 9 at 17:44












              • $begingroup$
                Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
                $endgroup$
                – Yellow
                Jan 9 at 17:58
















              $begingroup$
              Induction? What do you induct on?
              $endgroup$
              – Yellow
              Jan 9 at 16:51




              $begingroup$
              Induction? What do you induct on?
              $endgroup$
              – Yellow
              Jan 9 at 16:51












              $begingroup$
              @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Jan 9 at 17:44






              $begingroup$
              @Anu Same as in the subtractive Euclidean algorithm, e.g as there we can use the "height" $,h(a,b) := a+b,$ Any $h$ that descreases when we subtract its smaller argument from the larger also yields descent (e.g. we can also choose $,h =$ max, product, etc)
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Jan 9 at 17:44














              $begingroup$
              Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
              $endgroup$
              – Yellow
              Jan 9 at 17:58




              $begingroup$
              Your answer is nice, though it takes some time for me to realize what is actually going on. (Umm, I am new to such kind of inductive stuff). Anyways, thanks. I accept your solution.
              $endgroup$
              – Yellow
              Jan 9 at 17:58











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              This is a multiplicative form of the following well known result about fractions, and its proof follows immediately by translating well-known additive proofs into multiplicative form, for example:



              $aj!+!bk=1, {xa=yb},Rightarrow, bbox[5px,border:1px solid red]{dfrac{y}x = dfrac{a}b,Rightarrow,begin{align},y = na\ x = nbend{align}} {rm for some}, ninBbb Z, $ with proof as follows



              $begin{align}
              color{#c00}{xa=yb},Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x(color{#c00}aj!+!bk) = (color{#c00}yj!+!xk)color{#c00}b = n b,, y = color{#c00}y(color{#c00}bk!+!aj) = (yj!+!color{#c00}xk)color{#c00}a = n a\[.3em]
              color{#c00}{x^{Large a}= y^{Large b}}Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x^{Large color{#c00}aj,+,kb} = (color{#c00}y^{Large j}! cdot x^{Large k})^{Large color{#c00}b} = n^{Large b}, y = color{#c00}y^{Largecolor{#c00} bk,+,aj} = (y^{Large j}! cdot color{#c00}x^{Large k})^{Largecolor{#c00} a} = n^{Large a}
              end{align}$



              Note $, n = y^{large j} x^{large k},$ is a rational root of $,n^{large a} = yinBbb Z,$ so $,ninBbb Z,$ by the Rational Root Test.



              Remark $ $ The analogy between additive and multiplicative forms will be clarified when one studies abelian groups as $Bbb Z!-!$ modules. The fundamental result about principality of fractions is sometimes called Unique Fractionization to emphasize its close relationship with unique factorization.






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                $begingroup$

                This is a multiplicative form of the following well known result about fractions, and its proof follows immediately by translating well-known additive proofs into multiplicative form, for example:



                $aj!+!bk=1, {xa=yb},Rightarrow, bbox[5px,border:1px solid red]{dfrac{y}x = dfrac{a}b,Rightarrow,begin{align},y = na\ x = nbend{align}} {rm for some}, ninBbb Z, $ with proof as follows



                $begin{align}
                color{#c00}{xa=yb},Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x(color{#c00}aj!+!bk) = (color{#c00}yj!+!xk)color{#c00}b = n b,, y = color{#c00}y(color{#c00}bk!+!aj) = (yj!+!color{#c00}xk)color{#c00}a = n a\[.3em]
                color{#c00}{x^{Large a}= y^{Large b}}Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x^{Large color{#c00}aj,+,kb} = (color{#c00}y^{Large j}! cdot x^{Large k})^{Large color{#c00}b} = n^{Large b}, y = color{#c00}y^{Largecolor{#c00} bk,+,aj} = (y^{Large j}! cdot color{#c00}x^{Large k})^{Largecolor{#c00} a} = n^{Large a}
                end{align}$



                Note $, n = y^{large j} x^{large k},$ is a rational root of $,n^{large a} = yinBbb Z,$ so $,ninBbb Z,$ by the Rational Root Test.



                Remark $ $ The analogy between additive and multiplicative forms will be clarified when one studies abelian groups as $Bbb Z!-!$ modules. The fundamental result about principality of fractions is sometimes called Unique Fractionization to emphasize its close relationship with unique factorization.






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                  $begingroup$

                  This is a multiplicative form of the following well known result about fractions, and its proof follows immediately by translating well-known additive proofs into multiplicative form, for example:



                  $aj!+!bk=1, {xa=yb},Rightarrow, bbox[5px,border:1px solid red]{dfrac{y}x = dfrac{a}b,Rightarrow,begin{align},y = na\ x = nbend{align}} {rm for some}, ninBbb Z, $ with proof as follows



                  $begin{align}
                  color{#c00}{xa=yb},Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x(color{#c00}aj!+!bk) = (color{#c00}yj!+!xk)color{#c00}b = n b,, y = color{#c00}y(color{#c00}bk!+!aj) = (yj!+!color{#c00}xk)color{#c00}a = n a\[.3em]
                  color{#c00}{x^{Large a}= y^{Large b}}Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x^{Large color{#c00}aj,+,kb} = (color{#c00}y^{Large j}! cdot x^{Large k})^{Large color{#c00}b} = n^{Large b}, y = color{#c00}y^{Largecolor{#c00} bk,+,aj} = (y^{Large j}! cdot color{#c00}x^{Large k})^{Largecolor{#c00} a} = n^{Large a}
                  end{align}$



                  Note $, n = y^{large j} x^{large k},$ is a rational root of $,n^{large a} = yinBbb Z,$ so $,ninBbb Z,$ by the Rational Root Test.



                  Remark $ $ The analogy between additive and multiplicative forms will be clarified when one studies abelian groups as $Bbb Z!-!$ modules. The fundamental result about principality of fractions is sometimes called Unique Fractionization to emphasize its close relationship with unique factorization.






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                  $endgroup$



                  This is a multiplicative form of the following well known result about fractions, and its proof follows immediately by translating well-known additive proofs into multiplicative form, for example:



                  $aj!+!bk=1, {xa=yb},Rightarrow, bbox[5px,border:1px solid red]{dfrac{y}x = dfrac{a}b,Rightarrow,begin{align},y = na\ x = nbend{align}} {rm for some}, ninBbb Z, $ with proof as follows



                  $begin{align}
                  color{#c00}{xa=yb},Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x(color{#c00}aj!+!bk) = (color{#c00}yj!+!xk)color{#c00}b = n b,, y = color{#c00}y(color{#c00}bk!+!aj) = (yj!+!color{#c00}xk)color{#c00}a = n a\[.3em]
                  color{#c00}{x^{Large a}= y^{Large b}}Rightarrow,x &= color{#c00}x^{Large color{#c00}aj,+,kb} = (color{#c00}y^{Large j}! cdot x^{Large k})^{Large color{#c00}b} = n^{Large b}, y = color{#c00}y^{Largecolor{#c00} bk,+,aj} = (y^{Large j}! cdot color{#c00}x^{Large k})^{Largecolor{#c00} a} = n^{Large a}
                  end{align}$



                  Note $, n = y^{large j} x^{large k},$ is a rational root of $,n^{large a} = yinBbb Z,$ so $,ninBbb Z,$ by the Rational Root Test.



                  Remark $ $ The analogy between additive and multiplicative forms will be clarified when one studies abelian groups as $Bbb Z!-!$ modules. The fundamental result about principality of fractions is sometimes called Unique Fractionization to emphasize its close relationship with unique factorization.







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                  answered Jan 10 at 18:32









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