Solving for $x$ in $sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) = frac pi 4$












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Given an equation: $$sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) = frac pi 4$$



How do I find $x$?




I tried solving by differentiating both sides, but I get $x=0$.



How do you solve it, purely using trigonometric techniques?










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    Possibly useful - math.stackexchange.com/questions/672575/…
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    But I don't know x^2+y^2
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    I don't see how anyone can solve this in under two minutes. Are you sure? If so, there must be a trick. Is this a multiple choice question?
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    Online open ended answer. Deadline of 150 seconds.
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    Well, it takes Maple less than a second to get ${frac {sqrt {2522-1164,sqrt {2}}}{194}}$ in response to solve(expand(sin(arcsin(2*x)+arcsin(3*x))=sin(Pi/4)));. Typing the question and answer takes longer...
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Given an equation: $$sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) = frac pi 4$$



How do I find $x$?




I tried solving by differentiating both sides, but I get $x=0$.



How do you solve it, purely using trigonometric techniques?










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    I don't see how anyone can solve this in under two minutes. Are you sure? If so, there must be a trick. Is this a multiple choice question?
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    Online open ended answer. Deadline of 150 seconds.
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    Well, it takes Maple less than a second to get ${frac {sqrt {2522-1164,sqrt {2}}}{194}}$ in response to solve(expand(sin(arcsin(2*x)+arcsin(3*x))=sin(Pi/4)));. Typing the question and answer takes longer...
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Given an equation: $$sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) = frac pi 4$$



How do I find $x$?




I tried solving by differentiating both sides, but I get $x=0$.



How do you solve it, purely using trigonometric techniques?










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Given an equation: $$sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) = frac pi 4$$



How do I find $x$?




I tried solving by differentiating both sides, but I get $x=0$.



How do you solve it, purely using trigonometric techniques?







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    I don't see how anyone can solve this in under two minutes. Are you sure? If so, there must be a trick. Is this a multiple choice question?
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    Online open ended answer. Deadline of 150 seconds.
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    Well, it takes Maple less than a second to get ${frac {sqrt {2522-1164,sqrt {2}}}{194}}$ in response to solve(expand(sin(arcsin(2*x)+arcsin(3*x))=sin(Pi/4)));. Typing the question and answer takes longer...
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    But I don't know x^2+y^2
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    I don't see how anyone can solve this in under two minutes. Are you sure? If so, there must be a trick. Is this a multiple choice question?
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    – D.B.
    Jan 8 at 4:06












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    Online open ended answer. Deadline of 150 seconds.
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    – user5722540
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    Well, it takes Maple less than a second to get ${frac {sqrt {2522-1164,sqrt {2}}}{194}}$ in response to solve(expand(sin(arcsin(2*x)+arcsin(3*x))=sin(Pi/4)));. Typing the question and answer takes longer...
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Possibly useful - math.stackexchange.com/questions/672575/…
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Possibly useful - math.stackexchange.com/questions/672575/…
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But I don't know x^2+y^2
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But I don't know x^2+y^2
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I don't see how anyone can solve this in under two minutes. Are you sure? If so, there must be a trick. Is this a multiple choice question?
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I don't see how anyone can solve this in under two minutes. Are you sure? If so, there must be a trick. Is this a multiple choice question?
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– D.B.
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Online open ended answer. Deadline of 150 seconds.
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– user5722540
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Online open ended answer. Deadline of 150 seconds.
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– user5722540
Jan 8 at 4:09












$begingroup$
Well, it takes Maple less than a second to get ${frac {sqrt {2522-1164,sqrt {2}}}{194}}$ in response to solve(expand(sin(arcsin(2*x)+arcsin(3*x))=sin(Pi/4)));. Typing the question and answer takes longer...
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– Robert Israel
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Well, it takes Maple less than a second to get ${frac {sqrt {2522-1164,sqrt {2}}}{194}}$ in response to solve(expand(sin(arcsin(2*x)+arcsin(3*x))=sin(Pi/4)));. Typing the question and answer takes longer...
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Or this way using




  • $cos(a+b) = cos a cos b - sin a sin b$

  • $cos a = sqrt{1-sin^2 a}$


begin{eqnarray*}
sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) & = & frac pi 4 \
sqrt{1-4x^2}sqrt{1-9x^2} - 6x^2 & = & frac{sqrt{2}}{2} \
(1-4x^2)(1-9x^2) &=& left( frac{sqrt{2}}{2} +6x^2 right)^2 \
frac{1}{2} & = & (6sqrt{2}+13)x^2 \
end{eqnarray*}

The positive solution gives:
$$boxed{x = frac{1}{sqrt{2(6sqrt{2}+13)}}}$$






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    Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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    @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
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    Got that. Thanks.
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There is a useful identity that we can use in this case:



$arcsin{x}+arcsin{y}=arcsin{(xsqrt{1-y^2}+ysqrt{1-x^2})}$



From here we can substitute:



$arcsin{(2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2})}=frac{pi}{4}$



We are then left with:



$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2}=sin{frac{pi}{4}}$



From here, you can solve for $x$.






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    When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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Let $theta_1 = sin^{-1}(2x)$,$theta_2 = sin^{-1}(3x)$. Then,
$$sin(theta_1+theta_2) = sin(theta_1)cos(theta_2)+sin(theta_2)cos(theta_1) = sin(pi/4) = 1/sqrt{2}$$
$$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}.$$
But I don't know how you would solve this last equation.






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    When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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I'm gonna derive the general function for $arcsin x$ then go from there.



Recall that
$$sin x=frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}$$
So if $y= arcsin x$, then $$2ix=e^{iy}-e^{-iy}$$
Letting $u=e^{iy}$, we have
$$2ix=frac{u^2-1}{u}$$
$$u^2-2ixu-1=0$$
Use the quadratic formula to find that
$$u=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
Thus
$$e^{iy}=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
$$iy=lnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
$$arcsin x=-ilnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
So we look at your equation:
$$arcsin 2x+arcsin3x=fracpi4$$
$$-ilnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]-ilnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=fracpi4$$
$$lnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]+lnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=frac{ipi}4$$
Using the property $ln(ab)=ln a+ln b$ we see that
$$lnbigg[big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)bigg]=frac{ipi}4$$
Taking $exp$ on both sides,
$$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=e^{ipi/4}$$
Use the formula $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$ to see that
$$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=frac{1+i}{sqrt2}$$
and at this point I used Wolfram|Alpha to see that
$$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$
I will update my answer once I figure out how this result is found





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Expanding out the product on the Left hand side, then multiplying both sides by $-i$, we have
$$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)+6ix^2-isqrt{(1-4x^2)(1-9x^2)}=frac{1-i}{sqrt{2}}$$
We set the real parts of each side equal to eachother:
$$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)=frac1{sqrt2}$$
Which @ClaudeLeibovici showed reduced to
$$97y^2-13y+frac14=0$$
with $y=x^2$. Using the quadratic formula, we see that
$$y=frac{13+sqrt{72}}{194}$$
which reduces to
$$y=frac{13}{194}+frac{3sqrt2}{97}$$
Taking $sqrt{cdot}$ on both sides,
$$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$






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    @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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We need $-1le3xle1$



But if $xle0,$ the left hand side $le0$



Now $3x=sin(pi/4-arcsin(2x))$



$3sqrt2x=sqrt{1-(2x)^2}-2x$



$sqrt{1-4x^2}=x(3sqrt2+2)$



Square both sides






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    Start with $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}$$ and square both sides to get
    $$-72 x^4+13x^2+12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2=frac 12$$ that is to say
    $$72 x^4-13x^2+frac 12=12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2$$ Let $y=x^2$ to make
    $$72 y^2-13y+frac 12=12 ysqrt{1-9 y} sqrt{1-4 y} $$
    Square again, expand and simplify to get
    $$97 y^2-13 y+frac{1}{4}=0$$ which is simple.






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      Or this way using




      • $cos(a+b) = cos a cos b - sin a sin b$

      • $cos a = sqrt{1-sin^2 a}$


      begin{eqnarray*}
      sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) & = & frac pi 4 \
      sqrt{1-4x^2}sqrt{1-9x^2} - 6x^2 & = & frac{sqrt{2}}{2} \
      (1-4x^2)(1-9x^2) &=& left( frac{sqrt{2}}{2} +6x^2 right)^2 \
      frac{1}{2} & = & (6sqrt{2}+13)x^2 \
      end{eqnarray*}

      The positive solution gives:
      $$boxed{x = frac{1}{sqrt{2(6sqrt{2}+13)}}}$$






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        The answer is not matching @clathratus solution. Please confirm.
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        Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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        @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
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        Got that. Thanks.
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      Or this way using




      • $cos(a+b) = cos a cos b - sin a sin b$

      • $cos a = sqrt{1-sin^2 a}$


      begin{eqnarray*}
      sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) & = & frac pi 4 \
      sqrt{1-4x^2}sqrt{1-9x^2} - 6x^2 & = & frac{sqrt{2}}{2} \
      (1-4x^2)(1-9x^2) &=& left( frac{sqrt{2}}{2} +6x^2 right)^2 \
      frac{1}{2} & = & (6sqrt{2}+13)x^2 \
      end{eqnarray*}

      The positive solution gives:
      $$boxed{x = frac{1}{sqrt{2(6sqrt{2}+13)}}}$$






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        The answer is not matching @clathratus solution. Please confirm.
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        Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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        @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
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        Got that. Thanks.
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      Or this way using




      • $cos(a+b) = cos a cos b - sin a sin b$

      • $cos a = sqrt{1-sin^2 a}$


      begin{eqnarray*}
      sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) & = & frac pi 4 \
      sqrt{1-4x^2}sqrt{1-9x^2} - 6x^2 & = & frac{sqrt{2}}{2} \
      (1-4x^2)(1-9x^2) &=& left( frac{sqrt{2}}{2} +6x^2 right)^2 \
      frac{1}{2} & = & (6sqrt{2}+13)x^2 \
      end{eqnarray*}

      The positive solution gives:
      $$boxed{x = frac{1}{sqrt{2(6sqrt{2}+13)}}}$$






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      Or this way using




      • $cos(a+b) = cos a cos b - sin a sin b$

      • $cos a = sqrt{1-sin^2 a}$


      begin{eqnarray*}
      sin^{-1}(2x) + sin^{-1}(3x) & = & frac pi 4 \
      sqrt{1-4x^2}sqrt{1-9x^2} - 6x^2 & = & frac{sqrt{2}}{2} \
      (1-4x^2)(1-9x^2) &=& left( frac{sqrt{2}}{2} +6x^2 right)^2 \
      frac{1}{2} & = & (6sqrt{2}+13)x^2 \
      end{eqnarray*}

      The positive solution gives:
      $$boxed{x = frac{1}{sqrt{2(6sqrt{2}+13)}}}$$







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        Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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        @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
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        Got that. Thanks.
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        The answer is not matching @clathratus solution. Please confirm.
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        Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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      • $begingroup$
        @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
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        Got that. Thanks.
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      The answer is not matching @clathratus solution. Please confirm.
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      The answer is not matching @clathratus solution. Please confirm.
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      Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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      – trancelocation
      Jan 8 at 7:50






      $begingroup$
      Just plug it in. It gives the correct result. Unfortunately I cannot paste the complete WA-link here.
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      $begingroup$
      @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
      $endgroup$
      – trancelocation
      Jan 8 at 7:55




      $begingroup$
      @user5722540 : I have just checked with WA that both expressions are equivalent. Happens quite often that nested radical expressions have quite differently looking ways to be expressed.
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      Got that. Thanks.
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      Got that. Thanks.
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      There is a useful identity that we can use in this case:



      $arcsin{x}+arcsin{y}=arcsin{(xsqrt{1-y^2}+ysqrt{1-x^2})}$



      From here we can substitute:



      $arcsin{(2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2})}=frac{pi}{4}$



      We are then left with:



      $2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2}=sin{frac{pi}{4}}$



      From here, you can solve for $x$.






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        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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      There is a useful identity that we can use in this case:



      $arcsin{x}+arcsin{y}=arcsin{(xsqrt{1-y^2}+ysqrt{1-x^2})}$



      From here we can substitute:



      $arcsin{(2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2})}=frac{pi}{4}$



      We are then left with:



      $2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2}=sin{frac{pi}{4}}$



      From here, you can solve for $x$.






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      • $begingroup$
        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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      $begingroup$

      There is a useful identity that we can use in this case:



      $arcsin{x}+arcsin{y}=arcsin{(xsqrt{1-y^2}+ysqrt{1-x^2})}$



      From here we can substitute:



      $arcsin{(2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2})}=frac{pi}{4}$



      We are then left with:



      $2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2}=sin{frac{pi}{4}}$



      From here, you can solve for $x$.






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      There is a useful identity that we can use in this case:



      $arcsin{x}+arcsin{y}=arcsin{(xsqrt{1-y^2}+ysqrt{1-x^2})}$



      From here we can substitute:



      $arcsin{(2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2})}=frac{pi}{4}$



      We are then left with:



      $2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2}=sin{frac{pi}{4}}$



      From here, you can solve for $x$.







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        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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        Jan 8 at 3:18




















      • $begingroup$
        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
        $endgroup$
        – user5722540
        Jan 8 at 3:18


















      $begingroup$
      When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
      $endgroup$
      – user5722540
      Jan 8 at 3:18






      $begingroup$
      When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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      Let $theta_1 = sin^{-1}(2x)$,$theta_2 = sin^{-1}(3x)$. Then,
      $$sin(theta_1+theta_2) = sin(theta_1)cos(theta_2)+sin(theta_2)cos(theta_1) = sin(pi/4) = 1/sqrt{2}$$
      $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}.$$
      But I don't know how you would solve this last equation.






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        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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      Let $theta_1 = sin^{-1}(2x)$,$theta_2 = sin^{-1}(3x)$. Then,
      $$sin(theta_1+theta_2) = sin(theta_1)cos(theta_2)+sin(theta_2)cos(theta_1) = sin(pi/4) = 1/sqrt{2}$$
      $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}.$$
      But I don't know how you would solve this last equation.






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      • $begingroup$
        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
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      Let $theta_1 = sin^{-1}(2x)$,$theta_2 = sin^{-1}(3x)$. Then,
      $$sin(theta_1+theta_2) = sin(theta_1)cos(theta_2)+sin(theta_2)cos(theta_1) = sin(pi/4) = 1/sqrt{2}$$
      $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}.$$
      But I don't know how you would solve this last equation.






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      Let $theta_1 = sin^{-1}(2x)$,$theta_2 = sin^{-1}(3x)$. Then,
      $$sin(theta_1+theta_2) = sin(theta_1)cos(theta_2)+sin(theta_2)cos(theta_1) = sin(pi/4) = 1/sqrt{2}$$
      $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}.$$
      But I don't know how you would solve this last equation.







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      • $begingroup$
        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
        $endgroup$
        – user5722540
        Jan 8 at 3:19


















      • $begingroup$
        When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
        $endgroup$
        – user5722540
        Jan 8 at 3:19
















      $begingroup$
      When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
      $endgroup$
      – user5722540
      Jan 8 at 3:19




      $begingroup$
      When I tried solving the equation, I got x=root(+-(root(17)+5)*10)/20. However, on again solving it, I get a completely different answer. Is the answer actually going to be this complicated, given that it is expected to be solved in under 2minutes?
      $endgroup$
      – user5722540
      Jan 8 at 3:19











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      I'm gonna derive the general function for $arcsin x$ then go from there.



      Recall that
      $$sin x=frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}$$
      So if $y= arcsin x$, then $$2ix=e^{iy}-e^{-iy}$$
      Letting $u=e^{iy}$, we have
      $$2ix=frac{u^2-1}{u}$$
      $$u^2-2ixu-1=0$$
      Use the quadratic formula to find that
      $$u=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      Thus
      $$e^{iy}=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      $$iy=lnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      $$arcsin x=-ilnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      So we look at your equation:
      $$arcsin 2x+arcsin3x=fracpi4$$
      $$-ilnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]-ilnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=fracpi4$$
      $$lnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]+lnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Using the property $ln(ab)=ln a+ln b$ we see that
      $$lnbigg[big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)bigg]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Taking $exp$ on both sides,
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=e^{ipi/4}$$
      Use the formula $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$ to see that
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=frac{1+i}{sqrt2}$$
      and at this point I used Wolfram|Alpha to see that
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$
      I will update my answer once I figure out how this result is found





      Edit:



      Expanding out the product on the Left hand side, then multiplying both sides by $-i$, we have
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)+6ix^2-isqrt{(1-4x^2)(1-9x^2)}=frac{1-i}{sqrt{2}}$$
      We set the real parts of each side equal to eachother:
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)=frac1{sqrt2}$$
      Which @ClaudeLeibovici showed reduced to
      $$97y^2-13y+frac14=0$$
      with $y=x^2$. Using the quadratic formula, we see that
      $$y=frac{13+sqrt{72}}{194}$$
      which reduces to
      $$y=frac{13}{194}+frac{3sqrt2}{97}$$
      Taking $sqrt{cdot}$ on both sides,
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$






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        Is there a workaround to approach solution under 150seconds?
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        @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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      I'm gonna derive the general function for $arcsin x$ then go from there.



      Recall that
      $$sin x=frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}$$
      So if $y= arcsin x$, then $$2ix=e^{iy}-e^{-iy}$$
      Letting $u=e^{iy}$, we have
      $$2ix=frac{u^2-1}{u}$$
      $$u^2-2ixu-1=0$$
      Use the quadratic formula to find that
      $$u=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      Thus
      $$e^{iy}=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      $$iy=lnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      $$arcsin x=-ilnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      So we look at your equation:
      $$arcsin 2x+arcsin3x=fracpi4$$
      $$-ilnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]-ilnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=fracpi4$$
      $$lnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]+lnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Using the property $ln(ab)=ln a+ln b$ we see that
      $$lnbigg[big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)bigg]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Taking $exp$ on both sides,
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=e^{ipi/4}$$
      Use the formula $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$ to see that
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=frac{1+i}{sqrt2}$$
      and at this point I used Wolfram|Alpha to see that
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$
      I will update my answer once I figure out how this result is found





      Edit:



      Expanding out the product on the Left hand side, then multiplying both sides by $-i$, we have
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)+6ix^2-isqrt{(1-4x^2)(1-9x^2)}=frac{1-i}{sqrt{2}}$$
      We set the real parts of each side equal to eachother:
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)=frac1{sqrt2}$$
      Which @ClaudeLeibovici showed reduced to
      $$97y^2-13y+frac14=0$$
      with $y=x^2$. Using the quadratic formula, we see that
      $$y=frac{13+sqrt{72}}{194}$$
      which reduces to
      $$y=frac{13}{194}+frac{3sqrt2}{97}$$
      Taking $sqrt{cdot}$ on both sides,
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$






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        Is there a workaround to approach solution under 150seconds?
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        @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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      I'm gonna derive the general function for $arcsin x$ then go from there.



      Recall that
      $$sin x=frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}$$
      So if $y= arcsin x$, then $$2ix=e^{iy}-e^{-iy}$$
      Letting $u=e^{iy}$, we have
      $$2ix=frac{u^2-1}{u}$$
      $$u^2-2ixu-1=0$$
      Use the quadratic formula to find that
      $$u=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      Thus
      $$e^{iy}=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      $$iy=lnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      $$arcsin x=-ilnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      So we look at your equation:
      $$arcsin 2x+arcsin3x=fracpi4$$
      $$-ilnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]-ilnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=fracpi4$$
      $$lnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]+lnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Using the property $ln(ab)=ln a+ln b$ we see that
      $$lnbigg[big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)bigg]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Taking $exp$ on both sides,
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=e^{ipi/4}$$
      Use the formula $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$ to see that
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=frac{1+i}{sqrt2}$$
      and at this point I used Wolfram|Alpha to see that
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$
      I will update my answer once I figure out how this result is found





      Edit:



      Expanding out the product on the Left hand side, then multiplying both sides by $-i$, we have
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)+6ix^2-isqrt{(1-4x^2)(1-9x^2)}=frac{1-i}{sqrt{2}}$$
      We set the real parts of each side equal to eachother:
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)=frac1{sqrt2}$$
      Which @ClaudeLeibovici showed reduced to
      $$97y^2-13y+frac14=0$$
      with $y=x^2$. Using the quadratic formula, we see that
      $$y=frac{13+sqrt{72}}{194}$$
      which reduces to
      $$y=frac{13}{194}+frac{3sqrt2}{97}$$
      Taking $sqrt{cdot}$ on both sides,
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$






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      I'm gonna derive the general function for $arcsin x$ then go from there.



      Recall that
      $$sin x=frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}$$
      So if $y= arcsin x$, then $$2ix=e^{iy}-e^{-iy}$$
      Letting $u=e^{iy}$, we have
      $$2ix=frac{u^2-1}{u}$$
      $$u^2-2ixu-1=0$$
      Use the quadratic formula to find that
      $$u=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      Thus
      $$e^{iy}=ix+sqrt{1-x^2}$$
      $$iy=lnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      $$arcsin x=-ilnbig[ix+sqrt{1-x^2}big]$$
      So we look at your equation:
      $$arcsin 2x+arcsin3x=fracpi4$$
      $$-ilnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]-ilnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=fracpi4$$
      $$lnbig[2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big]+lnbig[3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Using the property $ln(ab)=ln a+ln b$ we see that
      $$lnbigg[big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)bigg]=frac{ipi}4$$
      Taking $exp$ on both sides,
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=e^{ipi/4}$$
      Use the formula $e^{itheta}=costheta+isintheta$ to see that
      $$big(2ix+sqrt{1-4x^2}big)big(3ix+sqrt{1-9x^2}big)=frac{1+i}{sqrt2}$$
      and at this point I used Wolfram|Alpha to see that
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$
      I will update my answer once I figure out how this result is found





      Edit:



      Expanding out the product on the Left hand side, then multiplying both sides by $-i$, we have
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)+6ix^2-isqrt{(1-4x^2)(1-9x^2)}=frac{1-i}{sqrt{2}}$$
      We set the real parts of each side equal to eachother:
      $$xbigg(2sqrt{1-9x^2}+3sqrt{1-4x^2}bigg)=frac1{sqrt2}$$
      Which @ClaudeLeibovici showed reduced to
      $$97y^2-13y+frac14=0$$
      with $y=x^2$. Using the quadratic formula, we see that
      $$y=frac{13+sqrt{72}}{194}$$
      which reduces to
      $$y=frac{13}{194}+frac{3sqrt2}{97}$$
      Taking $sqrt{cdot}$ on both sides,
      $$x=sqrt{frac{13}{194}-frac{3sqrt2}{97}}$$







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        Is there a workaround to approach solution under 150seconds?
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        @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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        Is there a workaround to approach solution under 150seconds?
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        Jan 8 at 7:49










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        @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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      Is there a workaround to approach solution under 150seconds?
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      Is there a workaround to approach solution under 150seconds?
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      @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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      – clathratus
      Jan 8 at 17:54




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      @user5722540 Yes. This is more of an alternative approach using cool complex algebra instead of trig
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      We need $-1le3xle1$



      But if $xle0,$ the left hand side $le0$



      Now $3x=sin(pi/4-arcsin(2x))$



      $3sqrt2x=sqrt{1-(2x)^2}-2x$



      $sqrt{1-4x^2}=x(3sqrt2+2)$



      Square both sides






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        We need $-1le3xle1$



        But if $xle0,$ the left hand side $le0$



        Now $3x=sin(pi/4-arcsin(2x))$



        $3sqrt2x=sqrt{1-(2x)^2}-2x$



        $sqrt{1-4x^2}=x(3sqrt2+2)$



        Square both sides






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          We need $-1le3xle1$



          But if $xle0,$ the left hand side $le0$



          Now $3x=sin(pi/4-arcsin(2x))$



          $3sqrt2x=sqrt{1-(2x)^2}-2x$



          $sqrt{1-4x^2}=x(3sqrt2+2)$



          Square both sides






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          We need $-1le3xle1$



          But if $xle0,$ the left hand side $le0$



          Now $3x=sin(pi/4-arcsin(2x))$



          $3sqrt2x=sqrt{1-(2x)^2}-2x$



          $sqrt{1-4x^2}=x(3sqrt2+2)$



          Square both sides







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              Start with $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}$$ and square both sides to get
              $$-72 x^4+13x^2+12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2=frac 12$$ that is to say
              $$72 x^4-13x^2+frac 12=12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2$$ Let $y=x^2$ to make
              $$72 y^2-13y+frac 12=12 ysqrt{1-9 y} sqrt{1-4 y} $$
              Square again, expand and simplify to get
              $$97 y^2-13 y+frac{1}{4}=0$$ which is simple.






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                Start with $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}$$ and square both sides to get
                $$-72 x^4+13x^2+12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2=frac 12$$ that is to say
                $$72 x^4-13x^2+frac 12=12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2$$ Let $y=x^2$ to make
                $$72 y^2-13y+frac 12=12 ysqrt{1-9 y} sqrt{1-4 y} $$
                Square again, expand and simplify to get
                $$97 y^2-13 y+frac{1}{4}=0$$ which is simple.






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                  Start with $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}$$ and square both sides to get
                  $$-72 x^4+13x^2+12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2=frac 12$$ that is to say
                  $$72 x^4-13x^2+frac 12=12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2$$ Let $y=x^2$ to make
                  $$72 y^2-13y+frac 12=12 ysqrt{1-9 y} sqrt{1-4 y} $$
                  Square again, expand and simplify to get
                  $$97 y^2-13 y+frac{1}{4}=0$$ which is simple.






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                  $endgroup$



                  Start with $$2xsqrt{1-9x^2}+3xsqrt{1-4x^2} = frac{1}{sqrt{2}}$$ and square both sides to get
                  $$-72 x^4+13x^2+12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2=frac 12$$ that is to say
                  $$72 x^4-13x^2+frac 12=12 sqrt{1-9 x^2} sqrt{1-4 x^2} x^2$$ Let $y=x^2$ to make
                  $$72 y^2-13y+frac 12=12 ysqrt{1-9 y} sqrt{1-4 y} $$
                  Square again, expand and simplify to get
                  $$97 y^2-13 y+frac{1}{4}=0$$ which is simple.







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