How does the government shutdown affect tax returns?
Has a government shutdown in the past affected tax returns? In terms of refunds, is there anything to be expected differently based on historical precedent?
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Has a government shutdown in the past affected tax returns? In terms of refunds, is there anything to be expected differently based on historical precedent?
united-states irs income-tax-refund government history
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Considering there have been several government shutdowns in the past (not just the recent Obama-era one in memory), and they never stopped collecting taxes because of it before, they aren't likely to change anything this year either - save for the tax code changes passed last year.
– Zibbobz
yesterday
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They still expect my payment, guaranteed.
– AbraCadaver
yesterday
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what is a government shutdown?
– Cloud
yesterday
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@Cloud Explanation
– JAD
yesterday
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FYI, at the moment you can't call the IRS as instructed on their forms and website, if you have questions. I need to talk to them rather urgently about my amended return, but their voice system just says they are unavailable right now and hangs up on you. Really sucks if you have an urgent matter that needs their input!
– Jonathan van Clute
yesterday
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Has a government shutdown in the past affected tax returns? In terms of refunds, is there anything to be expected differently based on historical precedent?
united-states irs income-tax-refund government history
Has a government shutdown in the past affected tax returns? In terms of refunds, is there anything to be expected differently based on historical precedent?
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united-states irs income-tax-refund government history
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Considering there have been several government shutdowns in the past (not just the recent Obama-era one in memory), and they never stopped collecting taxes because of it before, they aren't likely to change anything this year either - save for the tax code changes passed last year.
– Zibbobz
yesterday
4
They still expect my payment, guaranteed.
– AbraCadaver
yesterday
2
what is a government shutdown?
– Cloud
yesterday
3
@Cloud Explanation
– JAD
yesterday
1
FYI, at the moment you can't call the IRS as instructed on their forms and website, if you have questions. I need to talk to them rather urgently about my amended return, but their voice system just says they are unavailable right now and hangs up on you. Really sucks if you have an urgent matter that needs their input!
– Jonathan van Clute
yesterday
|
show 2 more comments
1
Considering there have been several government shutdowns in the past (not just the recent Obama-era one in memory), and they never stopped collecting taxes because of it before, they aren't likely to change anything this year either - save for the tax code changes passed last year.
– Zibbobz
yesterday
4
They still expect my payment, guaranteed.
– AbraCadaver
yesterday
2
what is a government shutdown?
– Cloud
yesterday
3
@Cloud Explanation
– JAD
yesterday
1
FYI, at the moment you can't call the IRS as instructed on their forms and website, if you have questions. I need to talk to them rather urgently about my amended return, but their voice system just says they are unavailable right now and hangs up on you. Really sucks if you have an urgent matter that needs their input!
– Jonathan van Clute
yesterday
1
1
Considering there have been several government shutdowns in the past (not just the recent Obama-era one in memory), and they never stopped collecting taxes because of it before, they aren't likely to change anything this year either - save for the tax code changes passed last year.
– Zibbobz
yesterday
Considering there have been several government shutdowns in the past (not just the recent Obama-era one in memory), and they never stopped collecting taxes because of it before, they aren't likely to change anything this year either - save for the tax code changes passed last year.
– Zibbobz
yesterday
4
4
They still expect my payment, guaranteed.
– AbraCadaver
yesterday
They still expect my payment, guaranteed.
– AbraCadaver
yesterday
2
2
what is a government shutdown?
– Cloud
yesterday
what is a government shutdown?
– Cloud
yesterday
3
3
@Cloud Explanation
– JAD
yesterday
@Cloud Explanation
– JAD
yesterday
1
1
FYI, at the moment you can't call the IRS as instructed on their forms and website, if you have questions. I need to talk to them rather urgently about my amended return, but their voice system just says they are unavailable right now and hangs up on you. Really sucks if you have an urgent matter that needs their input!
– Jonathan van Clute
yesterday
FYI, at the moment you can't call the IRS as instructed on their forms and website, if you have questions. I need to talk to them rather urgently about my amended return, but their voice system just says they are unavailable right now and hangs up on you. Really sucks if you have an urgent matter that needs their input!
– Jonathan van Clute
yesterday
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During the partial shutdown of the US Federal government, the IRS will continue to collect tax and process income tax returns, but refunds will not be paid out until the shutdown has ended. There have been numerous articles written on this subject - I am linking to one here. Google will give you many more.
MarketWatch -
3 unfortunate ways the government shutdown will impact you
[Edited to provide additional information]
An article from the Journal of Accountancy gives some good additional information regarding exactly what functions the IRS will and will not be performing during the shutdown, as spelled out in the Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan that was filed. Among the non-exempted activities (that will cease during the shutdown) are:
- Issuing refunds; Processing Form 1040X amended returns
- All audit functions and examinations of returns
- Processing paper tax returns that do include remittances
- Taxpayer services, such as answering taxpayer questions
Recently By Brittany De LeaPublished January 07, 2019, Personal Finance in FOXBusiness 4: "The Trump administration said on Monday that despite a prolonged partial government shutdown the Internal Revenue Service would still send out tax refunds.
The White House Office of Management and Budget announced the decision in order to make the shutdown as “painless as possible” for citizens, in the event it carries on into tax season."
7
Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
37
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
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@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
7
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
4
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
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The bottom line is that no one knows, and it is dependent upon your particular situation. This is pure speculation, but I think that most people will not be affected. Given that W-2s are employer generated, and most people's tax filings and refunds are automated, they should get their refund on time.
In some respects, the IRS is still working, I got some correspondence that was generated during the shutdown, asking for further information about a past tax return. (2016) If that is the case, then the IRS is still functioning on some level.
Will the checks be delayed because of funding? Maybe. If you read any article on this subject, it is clear the intent is to scare the reader. No one knows exactly how this will play out.
This is one part of actionable intelligence in all of this. That is to reduce your withholding so that you receive a smaller refund or even owe some. Your goal is to be plus or minus 1,000. If you owed a small amount, say like $300, you would pay it and this shutdown you affect you even less.
8
+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
– Ben Miller
yesterday
7
@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
yesterday
9
The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
2
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
1
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
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The IRS may process refunds normally
The Donald Trump administration claims that they will refund taxes during the shutdown. From the New York Post:
Taxpayers who are owed refunds will be paid on time, despite the government shutdown that has closed many federal agencies, a Trump administration official said Monday as concern mounted over the risk that the payments could be delayed.
And later:
In 2011, the chief counsel at the IRS concluded that such payments were legally allowed during a shutdown. At the time, the White House Office of Management and Budget, under President Barack Obama, rejected that position and directed the IRS not to pay refunds during a shutdown. But the IRS said Monday in a news release that the OMB had reviewed the issue at the Treasury’s request and now agrees with the IRS counsel’s position.
The IRS said it will recall a “significant portion” of its roughly 52,000 furloughed employees to work on tax returns. The agency also announced the Jan. 28 date to start processing returns. That’s within the normal timeframe.
This confirms other reports that previous shutdowns did not pay refunds during a shutdown. But it claims that this time will be different. While we do not know if that's true, it is at least a suggestion of it.
If you don't want to trust them
An alternative would be to
- Write up your tax return and determine the amount of your refund.
- Adjust your withholding for this year's taxes to zero until you would have withheld the amount of your refund.
- Adjust the withholding back to normal (perhaps a little less than previously so as not to have a refund next year).
- Submit the tax return and choose the option to apply the refund to next year's taxes. Finally a use for that option!
You will then have the amount of your refund and have the normal amount of taxes prepaid. You will not have to rely on the IRS to process your refund, as you are telling them to keep it. And you can do that now, as you are reducing your 2019 withholding in the amount of the refund from your 2018 withholding.
Or just wait until either the shutdown is over or the IRS is reopened specifically to process refunds. That may be faster. Once you submit your tax forms, you can't change your mind about applying the 2018 refund to 2019 taxes after April 15th. So it's possible you could submit the forms, the shutdown ends, and you end up waiting longer for your money.
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According to this article the IRS will pay refunds as usual.
The Internal Revenue Service will issue refunds to taxpayers even if the U.S. government shutdown extends into the filing season
...
In previous shutdown contingency plans, the IRS would accept tax returns during the filing season, but refunds would be delayed until the government was funded. Vought said the administration is fixing what he called a problem faced by past administrations.
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The Trump administration is claiming as of 1/8/19 that they will recall IRS workers and issue refunds despite any shutdown. But any attempt to make that move may be challenged in court (possibly by federal workers who are currently furloughed, possibly by members of congress).
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-plan-issue-tax-refunds-time-illegal-top/story?id=60231541
Long story short, it's very hard to say what will happen on this one, until either (a) the shutdown ends or (b) refunds actually get sent out. It's quite possible litigation will be a major issue here.
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During the partial shutdown of the US Federal government, the IRS will continue to collect tax and process income tax returns, but refunds will not be paid out until the shutdown has ended. There have been numerous articles written on this subject - I am linking to one here. Google will give you many more.
MarketWatch -
3 unfortunate ways the government shutdown will impact you
[Edited to provide additional information]
An article from the Journal of Accountancy gives some good additional information regarding exactly what functions the IRS will and will not be performing during the shutdown, as spelled out in the Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan that was filed. Among the non-exempted activities (that will cease during the shutdown) are:
- Issuing refunds; Processing Form 1040X amended returns
- All audit functions and examinations of returns
- Processing paper tax returns that do include remittances
- Taxpayer services, such as answering taxpayer questions
Recently By Brittany De LeaPublished January 07, 2019, Personal Finance in FOXBusiness 4: "The Trump administration said on Monday that despite a prolonged partial government shutdown the Internal Revenue Service would still send out tax refunds.
The White House Office of Management and Budget announced the decision in order to make the shutdown as “painless as possible” for citizens, in the event it carries on into tax season."
7
Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
37
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
1
@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
7
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
4
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
|
show 3 more comments
During the partial shutdown of the US Federal government, the IRS will continue to collect tax and process income tax returns, but refunds will not be paid out until the shutdown has ended. There have been numerous articles written on this subject - I am linking to one here. Google will give you many more.
MarketWatch -
3 unfortunate ways the government shutdown will impact you
[Edited to provide additional information]
An article from the Journal of Accountancy gives some good additional information regarding exactly what functions the IRS will and will not be performing during the shutdown, as spelled out in the Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan that was filed. Among the non-exempted activities (that will cease during the shutdown) are:
- Issuing refunds; Processing Form 1040X amended returns
- All audit functions and examinations of returns
- Processing paper tax returns that do include remittances
- Taxpayer services, such as answering taxpayer questions
Recently By Brittany De LeaPublished January 07, 2019, Personal Finance in FOXBusiness 4: "The Trump administration said on Monday that despite a prolonged partial government shutdown the Internal Revenue Service would still send out tax refunds.
The White House Office of Management and Budget announced the decision in order to make the shutdown as “painless as possible” for citizens, in the event it carries on into tax season."
7
Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
37
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
1
@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
7
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
4
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
|
show 3 more comments
During the partial shutdown of the US Federal government, the IRS will continue to collect tax and process income tax returns, but refunds will not be paid out until the shutdown has ended. There have been numerous articles written on this subject - I am linking to one here. Google will give you many more.
MarketWatch -
3 unfortunate ways the government shutdown will impact you
[Edited to provide additional information]
An article from the Journal of Accountancy gives some good additional information regarding exactly what functions the IRS will and will not be performing during the shutdown, as spelled out in the Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan that was filed. Among the non-exempted activities (that will cease during the shutdown) are:
- Issuing refunds; Processing Form 1040X amended returns
- All audit functions and examinations of returns
- Processing paper tax returns that do include remittances
- Taxpayer services, such as answering taxpayer questions
Recently By Brittany De LeaPublished January 07, 2019, Personal Finance in FOXBusiness 4: "The Trump administration said on Monday that despite a prolonged partial government shutdown the Internal Revenue Service would still send out tax refunds.
The White House Office of Management and Budget announced the decision in order to make the shutdown as “painless as possible” for citizens, in the event it carries on into tax season."
During the partial shutdown of the US Federal government, the IRS will continue to collect tax and process income tax returns, but refunds will not be paid out until the shutdown has ended. There have been numerous articles written on this subject - I am linking to one here. Google will give you many more.
MarketWatch -
3 unfortunate ways the government shutdown will impact you
[Edited to provide additional information]
An article from the Journal of Accountancy gives some good additional information regarding exactly what functions the IRS will and will not be performing during the shutdown, as spelled out in the Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan that was filed. Among the non-exempted activities (that will cease during the shutdown) are:
- Issuing refunds; Processing Form 1040X amended returns
- All audit functions and examinations of returns
- Processing paper tax returns that do include remittances
- Taxpayer services, such as answering taxpayer questions
Recently By Brittany De LeaPublished January 07, 2019, Personal Finance in FOXBusiness 4: "The Trump administration said on Monday that despite a prolonged partial government shutdown the Internal Revenue Service would still send out tax refunds.
The White House Office of Management and Budget announced the decision in order to make the shutdown as “painless as possible” for citizens, in the event it carries on into tax season."
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Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
37
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
1
@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
7
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
4
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
|
show 3 more comments
7
Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
37
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
1
@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
7
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
4
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
7
7
Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
Great, so we can continue to pay but not get our returns!
– GrumpyCrouton
yesterday
37
37
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
I hope this would be obvious, but it may be better to explicitly state that refunds may be "delayed" instead of "will not be paid". I wouldn't want even one person to wrongly think that they shouldn't file their return until after the shutdown ends. ;)
– TTT
yesterday
1
1
@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
@TTT It is quite clear that the refunds will not be paid during the partial shutdown, no need to make changes.
– Dean Kuga
yesterday
7
7
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
@DeanKuga - I wasn't disputing that. My comment was about what happens after the shutdown is over. Anyway, someone already made the change.
– TTT
yesterday
4
4
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
Might be good to note for the current shutdown some news that just came out; IRS has been directed to issues refunds regardless: nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/…
– Etheur
yesterday
|
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The bottom line is that no one knows, and it is dependent upon your particular situation. This is pure speculation, but I think that most people will not be affected. Given that W-2s are employer generated, and most people's tax filings and refunds are automated, they should get their refund on time.
In some respects, the IRS is still working, I got some correspondence that was generated during the shutdown, asking for further information about a past tax return. (2016) If that is the case, then the IRS is still functioning on some level.
Will the checks be delayed because of funding? Maybe. If you read any article on this subject, it is clear the intent is to scare the reader. No one knows exactly how this will play out.
This is one part of actionable intelligence in all of this. That is to reduce your withholding so that you receive a smaller refund or even owe some. Your goal is to be plus or minus 1,000. If you owed a small amount, say like $300, you would pay it and this shutdown you affect you even less.
8
+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
– Ben Miller
yesterday
7
@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
yesterday
9
The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
2
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
1
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
The bottom line is that no one knows, and it is dependent upon your particular situation. This is pure speculation, but I think that most people will not be affected. Given that W-2s are employer generated, and most people's tax filings and refunds are automated, they should get their refund on time.
In some respects, the IRS is still working, I got some correspondence that was generated during the shutdown, asking for further information about a past tax return. (2016) If that is the case, then the IRS is still functioning on some level.
Will the checks be delayed because of funding? Maybe. If you read any article on this subject, it is clear the intent is to scare the reader. No one knows exactly how this will play out.
This is one part of actionable intelligence in all of this. That is to reduce your withholding so that you receive a smaller refund or even owe some. Your goal is to be plus or minus 1,000. If you owed a small amount, say like $300, you would pay it and this shutdown you affect you even less.
8
+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
– Ben Miller
yesterday
7
@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
yesterday
9
The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
2
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
1
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
The bottom line is that no one knows, and it is dependent upon your particular situation. This is pure speculation, but I think that most people will not be affected. Given that W-2s are employer generated, and most people's tax filings and refunds are automated, they should get their refund on time.
In some respects, the IRS is still working, I got some correspondence that was generated during the shutdown, asking for further information about a past tax return. (2016) If that is the case, then the IRS is still functioning on some level.
Will the checks be delayed because of funding? Maybe. If you read any article on this subject, it is clear the intent is to scare the reader. No one knows exactly how this will play out.
This is one part of actionable intelligence in all of this. That is to reduce your withholding so that you receive a smaller refund or even owe some. Your goal is to be plus or minus 1,000. If you owed a small amount, say like $300, you would pay it and this shutdown you affect you even less.
The bottom line is that no one knows, and it is dependent upon your particular situation. This is pure speculation, but I think that most people will not be affected. Given that W-2s are employer generated, and most people's tax filings and refunds are automated, they should get their refund on time.
In some respects, the IRS is still working, I got some correspondence that was generated during the shutdown, asking for further information about a past tax return. (2016) If that is the case, then the IRS is still functioning on some level.
Will the checks be delayed because of funding? Maybe. If you read any article on this subject, it is clear the intent is to scare the reader. No one knows exactly how this will play out.
This is one part of actionable intelligence in all of this. That is to reduce your withholding so that you receive a smaller refund or even owe some. Your goal is to be plus or minus 1,000. If you owed a small amount, say like $300, you would pay it and this shutdown you affect you even less.
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Pete B.Pete B.
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+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
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@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
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The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
2
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
1
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
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+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
– Ben Miller
yesterday
7
@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
yesterday
9
The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
2
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
1
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
8
8
+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
– Ben Miller
yesterday
+1 The vast majority of media reporting on this subject is politically motivated and cannot be trusted, on both sides.
– Ben Miller
yesterday
7
7
@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
yesterday
@BenMiller understand what you said, and why is an important revelation. Media outlets are motivated by one thing: effective advertising. Getting people emotional enables this so that is their only purpose. Truthful reporting on important stories is not a priority.
– Pete B.
yesterday
9
9
The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
The IRS explicitly states in its "Lapsed Appropriations Contingency Plan" (on page 13) that "Issuing Refunds" is a non-exempted activity that will be halted until a shutdown ends. In the absence on contrary evidence I see no reason to say that "nobody knows" what will happen with refunds.
– mbrig
yesterday
2
2
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
Also, while matching your withholding to what you will actually owe is a good plan in general, it's not actionable for 2018 taxes...
– user3067860
yesterday
1
1
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
That one point of "actionable intelligence" is valid regardless of government shutdowns, but only applies going forward (at this point, for 2019 income taxes).
– WBT
13 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
The IRS may process refunds normally
The Donald Trump administration claims that they will refund taxes during the shutdown. From the New York Post:
Taxpayers who are owed refunds will be paid on time, despite the government shutdown that has closed many federal agencies, a Trump administration official said Monday as concern mounted over the risk that the payments could be delayed.
And later:
In 2011, the chief counsel at the IRS concluded that such payments were legally allowed during a shutdown. At the time, the White House Office of Management and Budget, under President Barack Obama, rejected that position and directed the IRS not to pay refunds during a shutdown. But the IRS said Monday in a news release that the OMB had reviewed the issue at the Treasury’s request and now agrees with the IRS counsel’s position.
The IRS said it will recall a “significant portion” of its roughly 52,000 furloughed employees to work on tax returns. The agency also announced the Jan. 28 date to start processing returns. That’s within the normal timeframe.
This confirms other reports that previous shutdowns did not pay refunds during a shutdown. But it claims that this time will be different. While we do not know if that's true, it is at least a suggestion of it.
If you don't want to trust them
An alternative would be to
- Write up your tax return and determine the amount of your refund.
- Adjust your withholding for this year's taxes to zero until you would have withheld the amount of your refund.
- Adjust the withholding back to normal (perhaps a little less than previously so as not to have a refund next year).
- Submit the tax return and choose the option to apply the refund to next year's taxes. Finally a use for that option!
You will then have the amount of your refund and have the normal amount of taxes prepaid. You will not have to rely on the IRS to process your refund, as you are telling them to keep it. And you can do that now, as you are reducing your 2019 withholding in the amount of the refund from your 2018 withholding.
Or just wait until either the shutdown is over or the IRS is reopened specifically to process refunds. That may be faster. Once you submit your tax forms, you can't change your mind about applying the 2018 refund to 2019 taxes after April 15th. So it's possible you could submit the forms, the shutdown ends, and you end up waiting longer for your money.
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The IRS may process refunds normally
The Donald Trump administration claims that they will refund taxes during the shutdown. From the New York Post:
Taxpayers who are owed refunds will be paid on time, despite the government shutdown that has closed many federal agencies, a Trump administration official said Monday as concern mounted over the risk that the payments could be delayed.
And later:
In 2011, the chief counsel at the IRS concluded that such payments were legally allowed during a shutdown. At the time, the White House Office of Management and Budget, under President Barack Obama, rejected that position and directed the IRS not to pay refunds during a shutdown. But the IRS said Monday in a news release that the OMB had reviewed the issue at the Treasury’s request and now agrees with the IRS counsel’s position.
The IRS said it will recall a “significant portion” of its roughly 52,000 furloughed employees to work on tax returns. The agency also announced the Jan. 28 date to start processing returns. That’s within the normal timeframe.
This confirms other reports that previous shutdowns did not pay refunds during a shutdown. But it claims that this time will be different. While we do not know if that's true, it is at least a suggestion of it.
If you don't want to trust them
An alternative would be to
- Write up your tax return and determine the amount of your refund.
- Adjust your withholding for this year's taxes to zero until you would have withheld the amount of your refund.
- Adjust the withholding back to normal (perhaps a little less than previously so as not to have a refund next year).
- Submit the tax return and choose the option to apply the refund to next year's taxes. Finally a use for that option!
You will then have the amount of your refund and have the normal amount of taxes prepaid. You will not have to rely on the IRS to process your refund, as you are telling them to keep it. And you can do that now, as you are reducing your 2019 withholding in the amount of the refund from your 2018 withholding.
Or just wait until either the shutdown is over or the IRS is reopened specifically to process refunds. That may be faster. Once you submit your tax forms, you can't change your mind about applying the 2018 refund to 2019 taxes after April 15th. So it's possible you could submit the forms, the shutdown ends, and you end up waiting longer for your money.
add a comment |
The IRS may process refunds normally
The Donald Trump administration claims that they will refund taxes during the shutdown. From the New York Post:
Taxpayers who are owed refunds will be paid on time, despite the government shutdown that has closed many federal agencies, a Trump administration official said Monday as concern mounted over the risk that the payments could be delayed.
And later:
In 2011, the chief counsel at the IRS concluded that such payments were legally allowed during a shutdown. At the time, the White House Office of Management and Budget, under President Barack Obama, rejected that position and directed the IRS not to pay refunds during a shutdown. But the IRS said Monday in a news release that the OMB had reviewed the issue at the Treasury’s request and now agrees with the IRS counsel’s position.
The IRS said it will recall a “significant portion” of its roughly 52,000 furloughed employees to work on tax returns. The agency also announced the Jan. 28 date to start processing returns. That’s within the normal timeframe.
This confirms other reports that previous shutdowns did not pay refunds during a shutdown. But it claims that this time will be different. While we do not know if that's true, it is at least a suggestion of it.
If you don't want to trust them
An alternative would be to
- Write up your tax return and determine the amount of your refund.
- Adjust your withholding for this year's taxes to zero until you would have withheld the amount of your refund.
- Adjust the withholding back to normal (perhaps a little less than previously so as not to have a refund next year).
- Submit the tax return and choose the option to apply the refund to next year's taxes. Finally a use for that option!
You will then have the amount of your refund and have the normal amount of taxes prepaid. You will not have to rely on the IRS to process your refund, as you are telling them to keep it. And you can do that now, as you are reducing your 2019 withholding in the amount of the refund from your 2018 withholding.
Or just wait until either the shutdown is over or the IRS is reopened specifically to process refunds. That may be faster. Once you submit your tax forms, you can't change your mind about applying the 2018 refund to 2019 taxes after April 15th. So it's possible you could submit the forms, the shutdown ends, and you end up waiting longer for your money.
The IRS may process refunds normally
The Donald Trump administration claims that they will refund taxes during the shutdown. From the New York Post:
Taxpayers who are owed refunds will be paid on time, despite the government shutdown that has closed many federal agencies, a Trump administration official said Monday as concern mounted over the risk that the payments could be delayed.
And later:
In 2011, the chief counsel at the IRS concluded that such payments were legally allowed during a shutdown. At the time, the White House Office of Management and Budget, under President Barack Obama, rejected that position and directed the IRS not to pay refunds during a shutdown. But the IRS said Monday in a news release that the OMB had reviewed the issue at the Treasury’s request and now agrees with the IRS counsel’s position.
The IRS said it will recall a “significant portion” of its roughly 52,000 furloughed employees to work on tax returns. The agency also announced the Jan. 28 date to start processing returns. That’s within the normal timeframe.
This confirms other reports that previous shutdowns did not pay refunds during a shutdown. But it claims that this time will be different. While we do not know if that's true, it is at least a suggestion of it.
If you don't want to trust them
An alternative would be to
- Write up your tax return and determine the amount of your refund.
- Adjust your withholding for this year's taxes to zero until you would have withheld the amount of your refund.
- Adjust the withholding back to normal (perhaps a little less than previously so as not to have a refund next year).
- Submit the tax return and choose the option to apply the refund to next year's taxes. Finally a use for that option!
You will then have the amount of your refund and have the normal amount of taxes prepaid. You will not have to rely on the IRS to process your refund, as you are telling them to keep it. And you can do that now, as you are reducing your 2019 withholding in the amount of the refund from your 2018 withholding.
Or just wait until either the shutdown is over or the IRS is reopened specifically to process refunds. That may be faster. Once you submit your tax forms, you can't change your mind about applying the 2018 refund to 2019 taxes after April 15th. So it's possible you could submit the forms, the shutdown ends, and you end up waiting longer for your money.
answered 21 hours ago
BrythanBrythan
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According to this article the IRS will pay refunds as usual.
The Internal Revenue Service will issue refunds to taxpayers even if the U.S. government shutdown extends into the filing season
...
In previous shutdown contingency plans, the IRS would accept tax returns during the filing season, but refunds would be delayed until the government was funded. Vought said the administration is fixing what he called a problem faced by past administrations.
add a comment |
According to this article the IRS will pay refunds as usual.
The Internal Revenue Service will issue refunds to taxpayers even if the U.S. government shutdown extends into the filing season
...
In previous shutdown contingency plans, the IRS would accept tax returns during the filing season, but refunds would be delayed until the government was funded. Vought said the administration is fixing what he called a problem faced by past administrations.
add a comment |
According to this article the IRS will pay refunds as usual.
The Internal Revenue Service will issue refunds to taxpayers even if the U.S. government shutdown extends into the filing season
...
In previous shutdown contingency plans, the IRS would accept tax returns during the filing season, but refunds would be delayed until the government was funded. Vought said the administration is fixing what he called a problem faced by past administrations.
According to this article the IRS will pay refunds as usual.
The Internal Revenue Service will issue refunds to taxpayers even if the U.S. government shutdown extends into the filing season
...
In previous shutdown contingency plans, the IRS would accept tax returns during the filing season, but refunds would be delayed until the government was funded. Vought said the administration is fixing what he called a problem faced by past administrations.
answered 12 hours ago
ChrisChris
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The Trump administration is claiming as of 1/8/19 that they will recall IRS workers and issue refunds despite any shutdown. But any attempt to make that move may be challenged in court (possibly by federal workers who are currently furloughed, possibly by members of congress).
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-plan-issue-tax-refunds-time-illegal-top/story?id=60231541
Long story short, it's very hard to say what will happen on this one, until either (a) the shutdown ends or (b) refunds actually get sent out. It's quite possible litigation will be a major issue here.
New contributor
add a comment |
The Trump administration is claiming as of 1/8/19 that they will recall IRS workers and issue refunds despite any shutdown. But any attempt to make that move may be challenged in court (possibly by federal workers who are currently furloughed, possibly by members of congress).
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-plan-issue-tax-refunds-time-illegal-top/story?id=60231541
Long story short, it's very hard to say what will happen on this one, until either (a) the shutdown ends or (b) refunds actually get sent out. It's quite possible litigation will be a major issue here.
New contributor
add a comment |
The Trump administration is claiming as of 1/8/19 that they will recall IRS workers and issue refunds despite any shutdown. But any attempt to make that move may be challenged in court (possibly by federal workers who are currently furloughed, possibly by members of congress).
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-plan-issue-tax-refunds-time-illegal-top/story?id=60231541
Long story short, it's very hard to say what will happen on this one, until either (a) the shutdown ends or (b) refunds actually get sent out. It's quite possible litigation will be a major issue here.
New contributor
The Trump administration is claiming as of 1/8/19 that they will recall IRS workers and issue refunds despite any shutdown. But any attempt to make that move may be challenged in court (possibly by federal workers who are currently furloughed, possibly by members of congress).
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-plan-issue-tax-refunds-time-illegal-top/story?id=60231541
Long story short, it's very hard to say what will happen on this one, until either (a) the shutdown ends or (b) refunds actually get sent out. It's quite possible litigation will be a major issue here.
New contributor
New contributor
answered 3 hours ago
jaypops96jaypops96
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Considering there have been several government shutdowns in the past (not just the recent Obama-era one in memory), and they never stopped collecting taxes because of it before, they aren't likely to change anything this year either - save for the tax code changes passed last year.
– Zibbobz
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They still expect my payment, guaranteed.
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what is a government shutdown?
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@Cloud Explanation
– JAD
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FYI, at the moment you can't call the IRS as instructed on their forms and website, if you have questions. I need to talk to them rather urgently about my amended return, but their voice system just says they are unavailable right now and hangs up on you. Really sucks if you have an urgent matter that needs their input!
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