How should I respond to a reviewer's complaint about self-citation?
Recently, I submitted an article and got a response from a reviewer that I cited 6 of my own articles out of 44. The reviewer said that it’s a cheap act of self promotion.
- If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?
- Is it bad practice to cite your own work?
The reviewer didn’t say I cited senselessly, rather he complained about the citation of my own work. How to respond in this given situation?
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Recently, I submitted an article and got a response from a reviewer that I cited 6 of my own articles out of 44. The reviewer said that it’s a cheap act of self promotion.
- If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?
- Is it bad practice to cite your own work?
The reviewer didn’t say I cited senselessly, rather he complained about the citation of my own work. How to respond in this given situation?
publications citations peer-review literature-review self-promotion
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Related: Will self-citation be viewed as self-promotion in academia?
– corey979
yesterday
13
Someone, either you or the reviewer, is a citation-metric-driven [fill in your negative word of choice]. Decide who it is and act accordingly.
– image
yesterday
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@image this work is built on my previous work. However, it is possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong. However, after seeing the answers i am glad I am on right side.
– MBK
23 hours ago
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“If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?” — Do you cite other work? According to your question, you do. Well, there’s your answer. I find this question a bit concerning: maybe the reviewer was right and some of your citations are gratuitous? The reviewer seems quite blunt in their assessment, maybe it’s because they have a point (rather than lacking any sense of tact and proportion, as implied by the answers).
– Konrad Rudolph
21 hours ago
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Recently, I submitted an article and got a response from a reviewer that I cited 6 of my own articles out of 44. The reviewer said that it’s a cheap act of self promotion.
- If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?
- Is it bad practice to cite your own work?
The reviewer didn’t say I cited senselessly, rather he complained about the citation of my own work. How to respond in this given situation?
publications citations peer-review literature-review self-promotion
Recently, I submitted an article and got a response from a reviewer that I cited 6 of my own articles out of 44. The reviewer said that it’s a cheap act of self promotion.
- If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?
- Is it bad practice to cite your own work?
The reviewer didn’t say I cited senselessly, rather he complained about the citation of my own work. How to respond in this given situation?
publications citations peer-review literature-review self-promotion
publications citations peer-review literature-review self-promotion
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Related: Will self-citation be viewed as self-promotion in academia?
– corey979
yesterday
13
Someone, either you or the reviewer, is a citation-metric-driven [fill in your negative word of choice]. Decide who it is and act accordingly.
– image
yesterday
2
@image this work is built on my previous work. However, it is possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong. However, after seeing the answers i am glad I am on right side.
– MBK
23 hours ago
7
“If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?” — Do you cite other work? According to your question, you do. Well, there’s your answer. I find this question a bit concerning: maybe the reviewer was right and some of your citations are gratuitous? The reviewer seems quite blunt in their assessment, maybe it’s because they have a point (rather than lacking any sense of tact and proportion, as implied by the answers).
– Konrad Rudolph
21 hours ago
add a comment |
6
Related: Will self-citation be viewed as self-promotion in academia?
– corey979
yesterday
13
Someone, either you or the reviewer, is a citation-metric-driven [fill in your negative word of choice]. Decide who it is and act accordingly.
– image
yesterday
2
@image this work is built on my previous work. However, it is possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong. However, after seeing the answers i am glad I am on right side.
– MBK
23 hours ago
7
“If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?” — Do you cite other work? According to your question, you do. Well, there’s your answer. I find this question a bit concerning: maybe the reviewer was right and some of your citations are gratuitous? The reviewer seems quite blunt in their assessment, maybe it’s because they have a point (rather than lacking any sense of tact and proportion, as implied by the answers).
– Konrad Rudolph
21 hours ago
6
6
Related: Will self-citation be viewed as self-promotion in academia?
– corey979
yesterday
Related: Will self-citation be viewed as self-promotion in academia?
– corey979
yesterday
13
13
Someone, either you or the reviewer, is a citation-metric-driven [fill in your negative word of choice]. Decide who it is and act accordingly.
– image
yesterday
Someone, either you or the reviewer, is a citation-metric-driven [fill in your negative word of choice]. Decide who it is and act accordingly.
– image
yesterday
2
2
@image this work is built on my previous work. However, it is possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong. However, after seeing the answers i am glad I am on right side.
– MBK
23 hours ago
@image this work is built on my previous work. However, it is possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong. However, after seeing the answers i am glad I am on right side.
– MBK
23 hours ago
7
7
“If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?” — Do you cite other work? According to your question, you do. Well, there’s your answer. I find this question a bit concerning: maybe the reviewer was right and some of your citations are gratuitous? The reviewer seems quite blunt in their assessment, maybe it’s because they have a point (rather than lacking any sense of tact and proportion, as implied by the answers).
– Konrad Rudolph
21 hours ago
“If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?” — Do you cite other work? According to your question, you do. Well, there’s your answer. I find this question a bit concerning: maybe the reviewer was right and some of your citations are gratuitous? The reviewer seems quite blunt in their assessment, maybe it’s because they have a point (rather than lacking any sense of tact and proportion, as implied by the answers).
– Konrad Rudolph
21 hours ago
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The answers here of Solar Mike and corey979 are correct, but let me point out two additional issues.
First, it might be that without your citations you could validly be accused of self plagiarism. Readers of the current work need to be able to trace back the ideas to earlier work. This is why we cite ourselves rather than just reuse old work.
Second, if you want a mental check on whether a self-citation is proper or not, just ask whether you would still be giving this citation if the other paper were written by someone unknown to you. If the answer is yes, then it is certainly proper - even essential - to cite it. If the answer is no, then you should probably forgo.
As for a response, you could simply ignore it. However, if you think that it is affecting the editor's decision, you could point out the self-plagiarism aspect.
7
Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
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6 out of 44 is less than 14%... If the cited works are relevant, such as building on previous results or analysis then there should be no problem.
If you are citing works that are by you but not relevant then that is an issue (I don't think you are doing this but just for both sides).
If the only works you are citing were your own then that may be an issue, but could still be relevant ie further work etc as above.
Perhaps you respond by pointing out the relevance of each cited work and, also consider if the links between the works cited and the current paper need to be strengthened.
1
Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
add a comment |
The phrase "cheap act of self promotion" might be viewed as offending, and is surely unprofessional (it's just the reviewer's opinion). I'm a hothead, so I would point this out to the editor and ask him to discipline the reviewer.
Overall, self-citations are a way of self promotion – yes, you point the reader to your earlier relevant works in the topic, but you also advertise your previous papers in hope that those that missed them will cite them in their own future articles. Citations are a valuable asset in academia, so it's not surprising authors go after them. Self-citations, however, don't stand on equal grounds as citations – in my field, many evaluations require "number of citations excluding self-citations", so self-citations are not just an easy way to boost ones metrics.
Referring to one's earlier works in the topic is definitely a good thing, showing the author's experience, linking to previous state-of-the-art, and simply telling a story that's behind research ("previously, I've made the analysis in 1D, and herein, for the first time, a 2D analysis is performed"). If your self-citations fulfill any of these roles, I see no reason to remove them.
In the response to the reviewer point out the relevancy of the citations used, like Solar Mike suggests. And the 6/44 ratio is all fine to me – after all, you're the expert in the field, so it's natural you have achievements. If it was 38/44, that would look silly.
Heck, I've seen reviewers flooding their (anonymous) reviews with a list of "suggested" references, orbiting around one author – it's hard not to be convinced about the identity of the reviewer, and think of it as a "cheap act of self promotion"...
5
It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
2
@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
4
Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
8
What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
3
I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
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In all likelihood, I would ignore the comment. (If you need to respond to editor, just write that the references are all related to the current paper and were left as is. Make your comment short...no elaborate arguments.) Obviously take a look at the paper and see if there are any papers that are blatantly on very different topics. But if they are all in same area of exploration, leave it as is.
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Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
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The answers here of Solar Mike and corey979 are correct, but let me point out two additional issues.
First, it might be that without your citations you could validly be accused of self plagiarism. Readers of the current work need to be able to trace back the ideas to earlier work. This is why we cite ourselves rather than just reuse old work.
Second, if you want a mental check on whether a self-citation is proper or not, just ask whether you would still be giving this citation if the other paper were written by someone unknown to you. If the answer is yes, then it is certainly proper - even essential - to cite it. If the answer is no, then you should probably forgo.
As for a response, you could simply ignore it. However, if you think that it is affecting the editor's decision, you could point out the self-plagiarism aspect.
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Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
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The answers here of Solar Mike and corey979 are correct, but let me point out two additional issues.
First, it might be that without your citations you could validly be accused of self plagiarism. Readers of the current work need to be able to trace back the ideas to earlier work. This is why we cite ourselves rather than just reuse old work.
Second, if you want a mental check on whether a self-citation is proper or not, just ask whether you would still be giving this citation if the other paper were written by someone unknown to you. If the answer is yes, then it is certainly proper - even essential - to cite it. If the answer is no, then you should probably forgo.
As for a response, you could simply ignore it. However, if you think that it is affecting the editor's decision, you could point out the self-plagiarism aspect.
7
Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
add a comment |
The answers here of Solar Mike and corey979 are correct, but let me point out two additional issues.
First, it might be that without your citations you could validly be accused of self plagiarism. Readers of the current work need to be able to trace back the ideas to earlier work. This is why we cite ourselves rather than just reuse old work.
Second, if you want a mental check on whether a self-citation is proper or not, just ask whether you would still be giving this citation if the other paper were written by someone unknown to you. If the answer is yes, then it is certainly proper - even essential - to cite it. If the answer is no, then you should probably forgo.
As for a response, you could simply ignore it. However, if you think that it is affecting the editor's decision, you could point out the self-plagiarism aspect.
The answers here of Solar Mike and corey979 are correct, but let me point out two additional issues.
First, it might be that without your citations you could validly be accused of self plagiarism. Readers of the current work need to be able to trace back the ideas to earlier work. This is why we cite ourselves rather than just reuse old work.
Second, if you want a mental check on whether a self-citation is proper or not, just ask whether you would still be giving this citation if the other paper were written by someone unknown to you. If the answer is yes, then it is certainly proper - even essential - to cite it. If the answer is no, then you should probably forgo.
As for a response, you could simply ignore it. However, if you think that it is affecting the editor's decision, you could point out the self-plagiarism aspect.
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Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
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Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
– Solar Mike
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Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
– Solar Mike
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Have to upvote the point about the risk of self-plagiarism...
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6 out of 44 is less than 14%... If the cited works are relevant, such as building on previous results or analysis then there should be no problem.
If you are citing works that are by you but not relevant then that is an issue (I don't think you are doing this but just for both sides).
If the only works you are citing were your own then that may be an issue, but could still be relevant ie further work etc as above.
Perhaps you respond by pointing out the relevance of each cited work and, also consider if the links between the works cited and the current paper need to be strengthened.
1
Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
add a comment |
6 out of 44 is less than 14%... If the cited works are relevant, such as building on previous results or analysis then there should be no problem.
If you are citing works that are by you but not relevant then that is an issue (I don't think you are doing this but just for both sides).
If the only works you are citing were your own then that may be an issue, but could still be relevant ie further work etc as above.
Perhaps you respond by pointing out the relevance of each cited work and, also consider if the links between the works cited and the current paper need to be strengthened.
1
Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
add a comment |
6 out of 44 is less than 14%... If the cited works are relevant, such as building on previous results or analysis then there should be no problem.
If you are citing works that are by you but not relevant then that is an issue (I don't think you are doing this but just for both sides).
If the only works you are citing were your own then that may be an issue, but could still be relevant ie further work etc as above.
Perhaps you respond by pointing out the relevance of each cited work and, also consider if the links between the works cited and the current paper need to be strengthened.
6 out of 44 is less than 14%... If the cited works are relevant, such as building on previous results or analysis then there should be no problem.
If you are citing works that are by you but not relevant then that is an issue (I don't think you are doing this but just for both sides).
If the only works you are citing were your own then that may be an issue, but could still be relevant ie further work etc as above.
Perhaps you respond by pointing out the relevance of each cited work and, also consider if the links between the works cited and the current paper need to be strengthened.
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Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
add a comment |
1
Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
1
1
Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
Thanks for your answer. My work is relevant and this work is built on previous work. However, it is also possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong.
– MBK
yesterday
add a comment |
The phrase "cheap act of self promotion" might be viewed as offending, and is surely unprofessional (it's just the reviewer's opinion). I'm a hothead, so I would point this out to the editor and ask him to discipline the reviewer.
Overall, self-citations are a way of self promotion – yes, you point the reader to your earlier relevant works in the topic, but you also advertise your previous papers in hope that those that missed them will cite them in their own future articles. Citations are a valuable asset in academia, so it's not surprising authors go after them. Self-citations, however, don't stand on equal grounds as citations – in my field, many evaluations require "number of citations excluding self-citations", so self-citations are not just an easy way to boost ones metrics.
Referring to one's earlier works in the topic is definitely a good thing, showing the author's experience, linking to previous state-of-the-art, and simply telling a story that's behind research ("previously, I've made the analysis in 1D, and herein, for the first time, a 2D analysis is performed"). If your self-citations fulfill any of these roles, I see no reason to remove them.
In the response to the reviewer point out the relevancy of the citations used, like Solar Mike suggests. And the 6/44 ratio is all fine to me – after all, you're the expert in the field, so it's natural you have achievements. If it was 38/44, that would look silly.
Heck, I've seen reviewers flooding their (anonymous) reviews with a list of "suggested" references, orbiting around one author – it's hard not to be convinced about the identity of the reviewer, and think of it as a "cheap act of self promotion"...
5
It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
2
@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
4
Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
8
What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
3
I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
The phrase "cheap act of self promotion" might be viewed as offending, and is surely unprofessional (it's just the reviewer's opinion). I'm a hothead, so I would point this out to the editor and ask him to discipline the reviewer.
Overall, self-citations are a way of self promotion – yes, you point the reader to your earlier relevant works in the topic, but you also advertise your previous papers in hope that those that missed them will cite them in their own future articles. Citations are a valuable asset in academia, so it's not surprising authors go after them. Self-citations, however, don't stand on equal grounds as citations – in my field, many evaluations require "number of citations excluding self-citations", so self-citations are not just an easy way to boost ones metrics.
Referring to one's earlier works in the topic is definitely a good thing, showing the author's experience, linking to previous state-of-the-art, and simply telling a story that's behind research ("previously, I've made the analysis in 1D, and herein, for the first time, a 2D analysis is performed"). If your self-citations fulfill any of these roles, I see no reason to remove them.
In the response to the reviewer point out the relevancy of the citations used, like Solar Mike suggests. And the 6/44 ratio is all fine to me – after all, you're the expert in the field, so it's natural you have achievements. If it was 38/44, that would look silly.
Heck, I've seen reviewers flooding their (anonymous) reviews with a list of "suggested" references, orbiting around one author – it's hard not to be convinced about the identity of the reviewer, and think of it as a "cheap act of self promotion"...
5
It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
2
@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
4
Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
8
What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
3
I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
The phrase "cheap act of self promotion" might be viewed as offending, and is surely unprofessional (it's just the reviewer's opinion). I'm a hothead, so I would point this out to the editor and ask him to discipline the reviewer.
Overall, self-citations are a way of self promotion – yes, you point the reader to your earlier relevant works in the topic, but you also advertise your previous papers in hope that those that missed them will cite them in their own future articles. Citations are a valuable asset in academia, so it's not surprising authors go after them. Self-citations, however, don't stand on equal grounds as citations – in my field, many evaluations require "number of citations excluding self-citations", so self-citations are not just an easy way to boost ones metrics.
Referring to one's earlier works in the topic is definitely a good thing, showing the author's experience, linking to previous state-of-the-art, and simply telling a story that's behind research ("previously, I've made the analysis in 1D, and herein, for the first time, a 2D analysis is performed"). If your self-citations fulfill any of these roles, I see no reason to remove them.
In the response to the reviewer point out the relevancy of the citations used, like Solar Mike suggests. And the 6/44 ratio is all fine to me – after all, you're the expert in the field, so it's natural you have achievements. If it was 38/44, that would look silly.
Heck, I've seen reviewers flooding their (anonymous) reviews with a list of "suggested" references, orbiting around one author – it's hard not to be convinced about the identity of the reviewer, and think of it as a "cheap act of self promotion"...
The phrase "cheap act of self promotion" might be viewed as offending, and is surely unprofessional (it's just the reviewer's opinion). I'm a hothead, so I would point this out to the editor and ask him to discipline the reviewer.
Overall, self-citations are a way of self promotion – yes, you point the reader to your earlier relevant works in the topic, but you also advertise your previous papers in hope that those that missed them will cite them in their own future articles. Citations are a valuable asset in academia, so it's not surprising authors go after them. Self-citations, however, don't stand on equal grounds as citations – in my field, many evaluations require "number of citations excluding self-citations", so self-citations are not just an easy way to boost ones metrics.
Referring to one's earlier works in the topic is definitely a good thing, showing the author's experience, linking to previous state-of-the-art, and simply telling a story that's behind research ("previously, I've made the analysis in 1D, and herein, for the first time, a 2D analysis is performed"). If your self-citations fulfill any of these roles, I see no reason to remove them.
In the response to the reviewer point out the relevancy of the citations used, like Solar Mike suggests. And the 6/44 ratio is all fine to me – after all, you're the expert in the field, so it's natural you have achievements. If it was 38/44, that would look silly.
Heck, I've seen reviewers flooding their (anonymous) reviews with a list of "suggested" references, orbiting around one author – it's hard not to be convinced about the identity of the reviewer, and think of it as a "cheap act of self promotion"...
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It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
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@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
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Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
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What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
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I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
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It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
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@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
4
Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
8
What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
3
I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
5
5
It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
It is sad that you treat citations as "promotions". I thought a citations were a way to refer to previous studies in the field which are necessary to understand concepts in the paper, not for namedropping and promoting people.
– pipe
yesterday
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@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
@pipe did you read paragraph 3 of Corey's answer? About how referring to one's own work can be relevant?
– Solar Mike
yesterday
4
4
Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
Through citations you promote work not people. People get promoted thanks to the work that they promote. Promote means to move/put forward or to the front, which is an essential action in science dissemination, communication and debate. Promotion can be a honest activity if done honestly, IMHO, and need not be perceived as a hint to unethical practices in and of itself. Like all good things it can degenerate if not preserved correctly; conceded.
– XavierStuvw
yesterday
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What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
What does “disciplining” a reviewer even mean? Punishing them by asking them for reviews more often?
– Noah Snyder
yesterday
3
3
I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
I recommend not assigning a gender to hypothetical people like "the editor" in the first paragraph. Our implicit biases against women in positions of authority are reinforced when we see gendered pronouns employed in writing where their gender is irrelevant.
– Greg Martin
9 hours ago
|
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In all likelihood, I would ignore the comment. (If you need to respond to editor, just write that the references are all related to the current paper and were left as is. Make your comment short...no elaborate arguments.) Obviously take a look at the paper and see if there are any papers that are blatantly on very different topics. But if they are all in same area of exploration, leave it as is.
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Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
– guest
1 hour ago
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In all likelihood, I would ignore the comment. (If you need to respond to editor, just write that the references are all related to the current paper and were left as is. Make your comment short...no elaborate arguments.) Obviously take a look at the paper and see if there are any papers that are blatantly on very different topics. But if they are all in same area of exploration, leave it as is.
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Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
– guest
1 hour ago
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In all likelihood, I would ignore the comment. (If you need to respond to editor, just write that the references are all related to the current paper and were left as is. Make your comment short...no elaborate arguments.) Obviously take a look at the paper and see if there are any papers that are blatantly on very different topics. But if they are all in same area of exploration, leave it as is.
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In all likelihood, I would ignore the comment. (If you need to respond to editor, just write that the references are all related to the current paper and were left as is. Make your comment short...no elaborate arguments.) Obviously take a look at the paper and see if there are any papers that are blatantly on very different topics. But if they are all in same area of exploration, leave it as is.
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Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
– guest
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
– guest
1 hour ago
3
3
Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Ignoring is a bad idea, you should always response to requests (here accusations) to explain your point of view to the editor.
– usr1234567
8 hours ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
– guest
1 hour ago
Could be right. I have had no bad/good reviewer interaction. Wrote very direct papers on non groundbreaking things for ACS specialty journals and they got accepted without revision...never saw the reviews. Still would go with something relatively terse (not turning the thing into an argument). "Understand the reviewer objection but we have looked at the cited references and they are all closely related. Think it is better for the reader to be able to follow the story of this research effort. Leaving cites as is."
– guest
1 hour ago
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Related: Will self-citation be viewed as self-promotion in academia?
– corey979
yesterday
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Someone, either you or the reviewer, is a citation-metric-driven [fill in your negative word of choice]. Decide who it is and act accordingly.
– image
yesterday
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@image this work is built on my previous work. However, it is possible for 3 references where I can give reference of some other work as well, which I did along with my work. His comment "it is a cheap way of self promotion" made me feel bad, as if I did something wrong. However, after seeing the answers i am glad I am on right side.
– MBK
23 hours ago
7
“If I do not cite my own work, how can I expect others to?” — Do you cite other work? According to your question, you do. Well, there’s your answer. I find this question a bit concerning: maybe the reviewer was right and some of your citations are gratuitous? The reviewer seems quite blunt in their assessment, maybe it’s because they have a point (rather than lacking any sense of tact and proportion, as implied by the answers).
– Konrad Rudolph
21 hours ago