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My native language is a genderless language, there is no masculine/feminine words, and so there is no being agreeable in grammar. This causes a lot of confusion for me as a Spanish Learner and no matter how much I try to be agreeable sometimes make mistake in a/o or el/la or .... Spanish teachers tend to say: "You will not be understood if you are not agreeable!".



My question is: How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I mistake word genders? Is it considered a mistake? Is it offensive? Will it totally lose meaning?






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    My wife has been 20 years here and still manages to do that kind of mistakes too often. Nobody bats an eye...
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    23 hours ago






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    My native langugae is not genderless. This doesn't prevent me from (or sometimes even leads me to) mixing gender in foreign languages.
    – Hagen von Eitzen
    17 hours ago












  • In fact your question gives a perfect example of how people behave. You have used the word agreeable in a non-English way but (a) everybody understood you (b) nobody cares. So just carry on learning, and as I suspect you thought: sometimes teachers are wrong.
    – mdewey
    2 hours ago










  • There are indeed situations where a misunderstanding could arise if you make a mistake with agreement. However, most native Spanish speakers are incredibly tolerant and will patiently work through the misunderstanding with you. Why? Because Spanish speakers are by nature quite agreeable. (Your teacher probably purposely misused the word "agreeable", to be cute.)
    – aparente001
    1 hour ago


















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My native language is a genderless language, there is no masculine/feminine words, and so there is no being agreeable in grammar. This causes a lot of confusion for me as a Spanish Learner and no matter how much I try to be agreeable sometimes make mistake in a/o or el/la or .... Spanish teachers tend to say: "You will not be understood if you are not agreeable!".



My question is: How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I mistake word genders? Is it considered a mistake? Is it offensive? Will it totally lose meaning?






gramática género







share|improve this question




















  • 1




    My wife has been 20 years here and still manages to do that kind of mistakes too often. Nobody bats an eye...
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    23 hours ago






  • 1




    My native langugae is not genderless. This doesn't prevent me from (or sometimes even leads me to) mixing gender in foreign languages.
    – Hagen von Eitzen
    17 hours ago












  • In fact your question gives a perfect example of how people behave. You have used the word agreeable in a non-English way but (a) everybody understood you (b) nobody cares. So just carry on learning, and as I suspect you thought: sometimes teachers are wrong.
    – mdewey
    2 hours ago










  • There are indeed situations where a misunderstanding could arise if you make a mistake with agreement. However, most native Spanish speakers are incredibly tolerant and will patiently work through the misunderstanding with you. Why? Because Spanish speakers are by nature quite agreeable. (Your teacher probably purposely misused the word "agreeable", to be cute.)
    – aparente001
    1 hour ago
















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My native language is a genderless language, there is no masculine/feminine words, and so there is no being agreeable in grammar. This causes a lot of confusion for me as a Spanish Learner and no matter how much I try to be agreeable sometimes make mistake in a/o or el/la or .... Spanish teachers tend to say: "You will not be understood if you are not agreeable!".



My question is: How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I mistake word genders? Is it considered a mistake? Is it offensive? Will it totally lose meaning?






gramática género







share|improve this question















My native language is a genderless language, there is no masculine/feminine words, and so there is no being agreeable in grammar. This causes a lot of confusion for me as a Spanish Learner and no matter how much I try to be agreeable sometimes make mistake in a/o or el/la or .... Spanish teachers tend to say: "You will not be understood if you are not agreeable!".



My question is: How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I mistake word genders? Is it considered a mistake? Is it offensive? Will it totally lose meaning?






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    My wife has been 20 years here and still manages to do that kind of mistakes too often. Nobody bats an eye...
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    23 hours ago






  • 1




    My native langugae is not genderless. This doesn't prevent me from (or sometimes even leads me to) mixing gender in foreign languages.
    – Hagen von Eitzen
    17 hours ago












  • In fact your question gives a perfect example of how people behave. You have used the word agreeable in a non-English way but (a) everybody understood you (b) nobody cares. So just carry on learning, and as I suspect you thought: sometimes teachers are wrong.
    – mdewey
    2 hours ago










  • There are indeed situations where a misunderstanding could arise if you make a mistake with agreement. However, most native Spanish speakers are incredibly tolerant and will patiently work through the misunderstanding with you. Why? Because Spanish speakers are by nature quite agreeable. (Your teacher probably purposely misused the word "agreeable", to be cute.)
    – aparente001
    1 hour ago
















  • 1




    My wife has been 20 years here and still manages to do that kind of mistakes too often. Nobody bats an eye...
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    23 hours ago






  • 1




    My native langugae is not genderless. This doesn't prevent me from (or sometimes even leads me to) mixing gender in foreign languages.
    – Hagen von Eitzen
    17 hours ago












  • In fact your question gives a perfect example of how people behave. You have used the word agreeable in a non-English way but (a) everybody understood you (b) nobody cares. So just carry on learning, and as I suspect you thought: sometimes teachers are wrong.
    – mdewey
    2 hours ago










  • There are indeed situations where a misunderstanding could arise if you make a mistake with agreement. However, most native Spanish speakers are incredibly tolerant and will patiently work through the misunderstanding with you. Why? Because Spanish speakers are by nature quite agreeable. (Your teacher probably purposely misused the word "agreeable", to be cute.)
    – aparente001
    1 hour ago










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My wife has been 20 years here and still manages to do that kind of mistakes too often. Nobody bats an eye...
– Rui F Ribeiro
23 hours ago




My wife has been 20 years here and still manages to do that kind of mistakes too often. Nobody bats an eye...
– Rui F Ribeiro
23 hours ago




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My native langugae is not genderless. This doesn't prevent me from (or sometimes even leads me to) mixing gender in foreign languages.
– Hagen von Eitzen
17 hours ago






My native langugae is not genderless. This doesn't prevent me from (or sometimes even leads me to) mixing gender in foreign languages.
– Hagen von Eitzen
17 hours ago














In fact your question gives a perfect example of how people behave. You have used the word agreeable in a non-English way but (a) everybody understood you (b) nobody cares. So just carry on learning, and as I suspect you thought: sometimes teachers are wrong.
– mdewey
2 hours ago




In fact your question gives a perfect example of how people behave. You have used the word agreeable in a non-English way but (a) everybody understood you (b) nobody cares. So just carry on learning, and as I suspect you thought: sometimes teachers are wrong.
– mdewey
2 hours ago












There are indeed situations where a misunderstanding could arise if you make a mistake with agreement. However, most native Spanish speakers are incredibly tolerant and will patiently work through the misunderstanding with you. Why? Because Spanish speakers are by nature quite agreeable. (Your teacher probably purposely misused the word "agreeable", to be cute.)
– aparente001
1 hour ago






There are indeed situations where a misunderstanding could arise if you make a mistake with agreement. However, most native Spanish speakers are incredibly tolerant and will patiently work through the misunderstanding with you. Why? Because Spanish speakers are by nature quite agreeable. (Your teacher probably purposely misused the word "agreeable", to be cute.)
– aparente001
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Well, your teachers might get upset if I tell you this but: it's a lie, you will be understood haha.



I guess they say it to encourage you to correct your mistakes. You should correct them anyways. I trust you will try to speak correctly anyways, so I'm telling you te truth. I don't want you to be so worried and stressed to avoid mistakes. Just try to fix them.



Now I'll answer your next questions:




How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I someone mistakes genders?




A Native Speaker would immediately detect that you are not a Spaniard, altough the accent is the first indicator haha.




Is it offensive?




No, it is not. If it is not your native language, it's normal to commit mistakes. Nobody should get upset for that. If someone does, he's a madman.




Is it considered a mistake?




Yes, it is.



We still understand, but that doesn't mean it's not a mistake. It's like saying



"I are happy" instead of "I am happy". Everybody understands, but it is wrong. In fact, it's kind of "basic" that everything must agree, so it is immediately detected. However, some nouns are difficult, like "agua" or "mano". It's more normal that people get confused there.




or will it totally lose meaning?




Most words are equally well understood if you choose the wrong gender. For example, if you say "la agua", people would perfectly understand.



Some others can be less clear. For example, if you said "el mano", it could be confused with "hermano", so be careful.



And it's worse when similar words change meaning. For example: la puerta (the door) vs. el puerto (the port). If you mix them, like "la puerto", you wouldn't be able to tell what one you meant, unless the context is clear.



So, this is all. My point is that you should not be "scared" about commiting mistakes. Everybody does. However, it is important that you correct them.






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  • For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
    – Thunderforge
    14 hours ago








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    A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
    – Anxo
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
    – Aaron F
    6 hours ago






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    there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
    – ths
    6 hours ago











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Well, your teachers might get upset if I tell you this but: it's a lie, you will be understood haha.



I guess they say it to encourage you to correct your mistakes. You should correct them anyways. I trust you will try to speak correctly anyways, so I'm telling you te truth. I don't want you to be so worried and stressed to avoid mistakes. Just try to fix them.



Now I'll answer your next questions:




How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I someone mistakes genders?




A Native Speaker would immediately detect that you are not a Spaniard, altough the accent is the first indicator haha.




Is it offensive?




No, it is not. If it is not your native language, it's normal to commit mistakes. Nobody should get upset for that. If someone does, he's a madman.




Is it considered a mistake?




Yes, it is.



We still understand, but that doesn't mean it's not a mistake. It's like saying



"I are happy" instead of "I am happy". Everybody understands, but it is wrong. In fact, it's kind of "basic" that everything must agree, so it is immediately detected. However, some nouns are difficult, like "agua" or "mano". It's more normal that people get confused there.




or will it totally lose meaning?




Most words are equally well understood if you choose the wrong gender. For example, if you say "la agua", people would perfectly understand.



Some others can be less clear. For example, if you said "el mano", it could be confused with "hermano", so be careful.



And it's worse when similar words change meaning. For example: la puerta (the door) vs. el puerto (the port). If you mix them, like "la puerto", you wouldn't be able to tell what one you meant, unless the context is clear.



So, this is all. My point is that you should not be "scared" about commiting mistakes. Everybody does. However, it is important that you correct them.






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  • For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
    – Thunderforge
    14 hours ago








  • 1




    A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
    – Anxo
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
    – Aaron F
    6 hours ago






  • 1




    there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
    – ths
    6 hours ago
















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Well, your teachers might get upset if I tell you this but: it's a lie, you will be understood haha.



I guess they say it to encourage you to correct your mistakes. You should correct them anyways. I trust you will try to speak correctly anyways, so I'm telling you te truth. I don't want you to be so worried and stressed to avoid mistakes. Just try to fix them.



Now I'll answer your next questions:




How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I someone mistakes genders?




A Native Speaker would immediately detect that you are not a Spaniard, altough the accent is the first indicator haha.




Is it offensive?




No, it is not. If it is not your native language, it's normal to commit mistakes. Nobody should get upset for that. If someone does, he's a madman.




Is it considered a mistake?




Yes, it is.



We still understand, but that doesn't mean it's not a mistake. It's like saying



"I are happy" instead of "I am happy". Everybody understands, but it is wrong. In fact, it's kind of "basic" that everything must agree, so it is immediately detected. However, some nouns are difficult, like "agua" or "mano". It's more normal that people get confused there.




or will it totally lose meaning?




Most words are equally well understood if you choose the wrong gender. For example, if you say "la agua", people would perfectly understand.



Some others can be less clear. For example, if you said "el mano", it could be confused with "hermano", so be careful.



And it's worse when similar words change meaning. For example: la puerta (the door) vs. el puerto (the port). If you mix them, like "la puerto", you wouldn't be able to tell what one you meant, unless the context is clear.



So, this is all. My point is that you should not be "scared" about commiting mistakes. Everybody does. However, it is important that you correct them.






share|improve this answer























  • For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
    – Thunderforge
    14 hours ago








  • 1




    A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
    – Anxo
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
    – Aaron F
    6 hours ago






  • 1




    there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
    – ths
    6 hours ago














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Well, your teachers might get upset if I tell you this but: it's a lie, you will be understood haha.



I guess they say it to encourage you to correct your mistakes. You should correct them anyways. I trust you will try to speak correctly anyways, so I'm telling you te truth. I don't want you to be so worried and stressed to avoid mistakes. Just try to fix them.



Now I'll answer your next questions:




How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I someone mistakes genders?




A Native Speaker would immediately detect that you are not a Spaniard, altough the accent is the first indicator haha.




Is it offensive?




No, it is not. If it is not your native language, it's normal to commit mistakes. Nobody should get upset for that. If someone does, he's a madman.




Is it considered a mistake?




Yes, it is.



We still understand, but that doesn't mean it's not a mistake. It's like saying



"I are happy" instead of "I am happy". Everybody understands, but it is wrong. In fact, it's kind of "basic" that everything must agree, so it is immediately detected. However, some nouns are difficult, like "agua" or "mano". It's more normal that people get confused there.




or will it totally lose meaning?




Most words are equally well understood if you choose the wrong gender. For example, if you say "la agua", people would perfectly understand.



Some others can be less clear. For example, if you said "el mano", it could be confused with "hermano", so be careful.



And it's worse when similar words change meaning. For example: la puerta (the door) vs. el puerto (the port). If you mix them, like "la puerto", you wouldn't be able to tell what one you meant, unless the context is clear.



So, this is all. My point is that you should not be "scared" about commiting mistakes. Everybody does. However, it is important that you correct them.






share|improve this answer














Well, your teachers might get upset if I tell you this but: it's a lie, you will be understood haha.



I guess they say it to encourage you to correct your mistakes. You should correct them anyways. I trust you will try to speak correctly anyways, so I'm telling you te truth. I don't want you to be so worried and stressed to avoid mistakes. Just try to fix them.



Now I'll answer your next questions:




How does a native Spanish speaker feel if I someone mistakes genders?




A Native Speaker would immediately detect that you are not a Spaniard, altough the accent is the first indicator haha.




Is it offensive?




No, it is not. If it is not your native language, it's normal to commit mistakes. Nobody should get upset for that. If someone does, he's a madman.




Is it considered a mistake?




Yes, it is.



We still understand, but that doesn't mean it's not a mistake. It's like saying



"I are happy" instead of "I am happy". Everybody understands, but it is wrong. In fact, it's kind of "basic" that everything must agree, so it is immediately detected. However, some nouns are difficult, like "agua" or "mano". It's more normal that people get confused there.




or will it totally lose meaning?




Most words are equally well understood if you choose the wrong gender. For example, if you say "la agua", people would perfectly understand.



Some others can be less clear. For example, if you said "el mano", it could be confused with "hermano", so be careful.



And it's worse when similar words change meaning. For example: la puerta (the door) vs. el puerto (the port). If you mix them, like "la puerto", you wouldn't be able to tell what one you meant, unless the context is clear.



So, this is all. My point is that you should not be "scared" about commiting mistakes. Everybody does. However, it is important that you correct them.







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  • For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
    – Thunderforge
    14 hours ago








  • 1




    A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
    – Anxo
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
    – Aaron F
    6 hours ago






  • 1




    there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
    – ths
    6 hours ago


















  • For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
    – Thunderforge
    14 hours ago








  • 1




    A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
    – Anxo
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
    – Aaron F
    6 hours ago






  • 1




    there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
    – ths
    6 hours ago
















For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
– Thunderforge
14 hours ago






For comparison: I know people from China who are learning English, and they sometimes mess up he/she because they use a gender-neutral third-person pronoun in Mandarin. Generally it's pretty clear it was a mistake and we laugh about it, but in the wrong context, I could see how it could become offensive (like how someone might deliberately call men "ladies" as an insult). It seems that Spanish speakers tend to react the same way as English speakers do in this case.
– Thunderforge
14 hours ago






1




1




A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
– Anxo
9 hours ago




A bit of nitpicking: "la agua" is a pretty complicated example, because agua is actually feminine, but uses "el" in some cases: "el agua" but "la misma agua".
– Anxo
9 hours ago




1




1




@Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
– Aaron F
6 hours ago




@Thunderforge this happens all the time to Spanish people speaking English, too. "le" can mean "he" or "she" and is often translated wrongly.
– Aaron F
6 hours ago




1




1




there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
– ths
6 hours ago




there are some words which change meaning depending on gender, like "frente", "orden", "editorial".
– ths
6 hours ago


















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Den här artikeln handlar om hundraårsperioden 1300–1399. För decenniet 1300–1309, se 1300-talet (decennium). .mw-parser-output .infobox{border:1px solid #aaa;background-color:#f9f9f9;color:black;margin:.5em 0 .5em 1em;padding:.2em;float:right;clear:right;width:22em;text-align:left;font-size:88%;line-height:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .infobox td,.mw-parser-output .infobox th{vertical-align:top;padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .infobox caption{font-size:larger}.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered{border-collapse:collapse}.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered td,.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered th{border:1px solid #aaa}.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered .borderless td,.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered .borderless th{border:0}.mw-parser-output .infobox-showbutton .mw-collapsible-text{color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered .mergedtoprow td,.mw-parser-output .infobox.bordered .mergedtoprow th{border:0;border-top:1px solid #aaa;border-right:1px solid #aaa}.mw-parser-output ...
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Display a custom attribute below product name in the front-end Magento 1.9.3.8

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0 I need to display a custom attribute bellow the product name and I don't know how can I call this attribute. I am editing the file /app/design/frontend/templatemela/MAG100219_1/template/catalog/product/view.phtml But how can I call this attribute in php? I tried calling a string echo with the name I put in the attribute, but it didn't work. Code is as below: <div class="page-title product-title"> <h1><?php echo $_helper->productAttribute($_product, $_product->getName(), 'name') ?></h1> </div> <div class="codigoinmetro"> <h2><?php echo $_helper->productAttribute($_product, $_product->getName(), 'registroinmetro') ?></h2> </div> php attrib...
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