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I'm really sorry, this may sound ridiculous but I can't understand the Wikipedia explanation about the volume of regular n-dimensional simplices, here.



In particular, these two sentences make no sense to me:




If the coordinates of a point in a unit n-box are sorted, together
with 0 and 1, and successive differences are taken, then since the
results add to one, the result is a point in an n simplex spanned by
the origin and the closest n vertices of the box. The taking of
differences was a unimodular (volume-preserving) transformation, but
sorting compressed the space by a factor of n!.




I think this might relate to the section about increasing coordinates (although I can't exactly see how), which I mostly understood but then again this sentence about volume measurement is obscure to me as well:




Indeed, the ordered simplex is a (closed) fundamental domain for the
action of the symmetric group on the n-cube, meaning that the orbit of
the ordered simplex under the n! elements of the symmetric group
divides the n-cube into n! mostly disjoint simplices (disjoint except
for boundaries), showing that this simplex has volume 1/n!.




I'm trying to read about fundamental domains to shed some light on the previous sentence, but it's not the easiest subject.. Help would be muchly appreciated.






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    Yes, that is a confusing first sentence, at least taken out of context. It begins by referring to one point in the "unit box" and somehow asserts $n$ or more "vertices of the box", used (together with the origin) to define (span) an $n$-simplex.
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    I guess the point I find non-trivial is since the results add to one. If this is true, then the point in question is indeed on the standard n-simplex in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ (which is a region of the hyperplane $sum_i x_i = 1$). But then I don't understand closest n vertices on the box either, since these vertices would always the same; they correspond to the canonical vectors. The n-box has $2^n$ vertices, why introduce such a great uncertainty in the choice of "closest vertices"? Finally, where does but sorting compressed the space by a factor of n! come from?
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    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:55








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    Taking a point $(x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n)$ "in" the unit box means $0 le x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n le 1$. If the coordinates were sorted (ascending), so that $0 le x_1 le x_2 ;ldots le x_n le 1$, then taking differences $y_i = x_{i+1} - x_i$, where for convenience we take $x_0 = 0$, $x_{n+1} = 1$, we get $y_i in [0,1], i = 0,ldots,n$ such that $sum y_i = 1$.
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    – hardmath
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    @hardmath You're right, it's just a telescopic sum. Thank you! Well, first point checked then :)
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    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:31










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    It seems the idea is to present a map of the "unit box" in $mathbb{R}^n$ onto the standard simplex, and show that it has a nice interpretation as a $n!$ to $1$ mapping that preserves volume on portions where the coordinates are already sorted. I'll have to puzzle over how to present the idea more clearly.
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    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:37


















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I'm really sorry, this may sound ridiculous but I can't understand the Wikipedia explanation about the volume of regular n-dimensional simplices, here.



In particular, these two sentences make no sense to me:




If the coordinates of a point in a unit n-box are sorted, together
with 0 and 1, and successive differences are taken, then since the
results add to one, the result is a point in an n simplex spanned by
the origin and the closest n vertices of the box. The taking of
differences was a unimodular (volume-preserving) transformation, but
sorting compressed the space by a factor of n!.




I think this might relate to the section about increasing coordinates (although I can't exactly see how), which I mostly understood but then again this sentence about volume measurement is obscure to me as well:




Indeed, the ordered simplex is a (closed) fundamental domain for the
action of the symmetric group on the n-cube, meaning that the orbit of
the ordered simplex under the n! elements of the symmetric group
divides the n-cube into n! mostly disjoint simplices (disjoint except
for boundaries), showing that this simplex has volume 1/n!.




I'm trying to read about fundamental domains to shed some light on the previous sentence, but it's not the easiest subject.. Help would be muchly appreciated.






volume simplex







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  • $begingroup$
    Yes, that is a confusing first sentence, at least taken out of context. It begins by referring to one point in the "unit box" and somehow asserts $n$ or more "vertices of the box", used (together with the origin) to define (span) an $n$-simplex.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:43










  • $begingroup$
    I guess the point I find non-trivial is since the results add to one. If this is true, then the point in question is indeed on the standard n-simplex in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ (which is a region of the hyperplane $sum_i x_i = 1$). But then I don't understand closest n vertices on the box either, since these vertices would always the same; they correspond to the canonical vectors. The n-box has $2^n$ vertices, why introduce such a great uncertainty in the choice of "closest vertices"? Finally, where does but sorting compressed the space by a factor of n! come from?
    $endgroup$
    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:55








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Taking a point $(x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n)$ "in" the unit box means $0 le x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n le 1$. If the coordinates were sorted (ascending), so that $0 le x_1 le x_2 ;ldots le x_n le 1$, then taking differences $y_i = x_{i+1} - x_i$, where for convenience we take $x_0 = 0$, $x_{n+1} = 1$, we get $y_i in [0,1], i = 0,ldots,n$ such that $sum y_i = 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 12:45










  • $begingroup$
    @hardmath You're right, it's just a telescopic sum. Thank you! Well, first point checked then :)
    $endgroup$
    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    It seems the idea is to present a map of the "unit box" in $mathbb{R}^n$ onto the standard simplex, and show that it has a nice interpretation as a $n!$ to $1$ mapping that preserves volume on portions where the coordinates are already sorted. I'll have to puzzle over how to present the idea more clearly.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:37
















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I'm really sorry, this may sound ridiculous but I can't understand the Wikipedia explanation about the volume of regular n-dimensional simplices, here.



In particular, these two sentences make no sense to me:




If the coordinates of a point in a unit n-box are sorted, together
with 0 and 1, and successive differences are taken, then since the
results add to one, the result is a point in an n simplex spanned by
the origin and the closest n vertices of the box. The taking of
differences was a unimodular (volume-preserving) transformation, but
sorting compressed the space by a factor of n!.




I think this might relate to the section about increasing coordinates (although I can't exactly see how), which I mostly understood but then again this sentence about volume measurement is obscure to me as well:




Indeed, the ordered simplex is a (closed) fundamental domain for the
action of the symmetric group on the n-cube, meaning that the orbit of
the ordered simplex under the n! elements of the symmetric group
divides the n-cube into n! mostly disjoint simplices (disjoint except
for boundaries), showing that this simplex has volume 1/n!.




I'm trying to read about fundamental domains to shed some light on the previous sentence, but it's not the easiest subject.. Help would be muchly appreciated.






volume simplex







share|cite|improve this question









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I'm really sorry, this may sound ridiculous but I can't understand the Wikipedia explanation about the volume of regular n-dimensional simplices, here.



In particular, these two sentences make no sense to me:




If the coordinates of a point in a unit n-box are sorted, together
with 0 and 1, and successive differences are taken, then since the
results add to one, the result is a point in an n simplex spanned by
the origin and the closest n vertices of the box. The taking of
differences was a unimodular (volume-preserving) transformation, but
sorting compressed the space by a factor of n!.




I think this might relate to the section about increasing coordinates (although I can't exactly see how), which I mostly understood but then again this sentence about volume measurement is obscure to me as well:




Indeed, the ordered simplex is a (closed) fundamental domain for the
action of the symmetric group on the n-cube, meaning that the orbit of
the ordered simplex under the n! elements of the symmetric group
divides the n-cube into n! mostly disjoint simplices (disjoint except
for boundaries), showing that this simplex has volume 1/n!.




I'm trying to read about fundamental domains to shed some light on the previous sentence, but it's not the easiest subject.. Help would be muchly appreciated.






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volume simplex






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  • $begingroup$
    Yes, that is a confusing first sentence, at least taken out of context. It begins by referring to one point in the "unit box" and somehow asserts $n$ or more "vertices of the box", used (together with the origin) to define (span) an $n$-simplex.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:43










  • $begingroup$
    I guess the point I find non-trivial is since the results add to one. If this is true, then the point in question is indeed on the standard n-simplex in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ (which is a region of the hyperplane $sum_i x_i = 1$). But then I don't understand closest n vertices on the box either, since these vertices would always the same; they correspond to the canonical vectors. The n-box has $2^n$ vertices, why introduce such a great uncertainty in the choice of "closest vertices"? Finally, where does but sorting compressed the space by a factor of n! come from?
    $endgroup$
    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:55








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Taking a point $(x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n)$ "in" the unit box means $0 le x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n le 1$. If the coordinates were sorted (ascending), so that $0 le x_1 le x_2 ;ldots le x_n le 1$, then taking differences $y_i = x_{i+1} - x_i$, where for convenience we take $x_0 = 0$, $x_{n+1} = 1$, we get $y_i in [0,1], i = 0,ldots,n$ such that $sum y_i = 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 12:45










  • $begingroup$
    @hardmath You're right, it's just a telescopic sum. Thank you! Well, first point checked then :)
    $endgroup$
    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    It seems the idea is to present a map of the "unit box" in $mathbb{R}^n$ onto the standard simplex, and show that it has a nice interpretation as a $n!$ to $1$ mapping that preserves volume on portions where the coordinates are already sorted. I'll have to puzzle over how to present the idea more clearly.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:37




















  • $begingroup$
    Yes, that is a confusing first sentence, at least taken out of context. It begins by referring to one point in the "unit box" and somehow asserts $n$ or more "vertices of the box", used (together with the origin) to define (span) an $n$-simplex.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:43










  • $begingroup$
    I guess the point I find non-trivial is since the results add to one. If this is true, then the point in question is indeed on the standard n-simplex in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ (which is a region of the hyperplane $sum_i x_i = 1$). But then I don't understand closest n vertices on the box either, since these vertices would always the same; they correspond to the canonical vectors. The n-box has $2^n$ vertices, why introduce such a great uncertainty in the choice of "closest vertices"? Finally, where does but sorting compressed the space by a factor of n! come from?
    $endgroup$
    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 11:55








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Taking a point $(x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n)$ "in" the unit box means $0 le x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n le 1$. If the coordinates were sorted (ascending), so that $0 le x_1 le x_2 ;ldots le x_n le 1$, then taking differences $y_i = x_{i+1} - x_i$, where for convenience we take $x_0 = 0$, $x_{n+1} = 1$, we get $y_i in [0,1], i = 0,ldots,n$ such that $sum y_i = 1$.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 12:45










  • $begingroup$
    @hardmath You're right, it's just a telescopic sum. Thank you! Well, first point checked then :)
    $endgroup$
    – Sheljohn
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    It seems the idea is to present a map of the "unit box" in $mathbb{R}^n$ onto the standard simplex, and show that it has a nice interpretation as a $n!$ to $1$ mapping that preserves volume on portions where the coordinates are already sorted. I'll have to puzzle over how to present the idea more clearly.
    $endgroup$
    – hardmath
    Nov 18 '14 at 13:37


















$begingroup$
Yes, that is a confusing first sentence, at least taken out of context. It begins by referring to one point in the "unit box" and somehow asserts $n$ or more "vertices of the box", used (together with the origin) to define (span) an $n$-simplex.
$endgroup$
– hardmath
Nov 18 '14 at 11:43




$begingroup$
Yes, that is a confusing first sentence, at least taken out of context. It begins by referring to one point in the "unit box" and somehow asserts $n$ or more "vertices of the box", used (together with the origin) to define (span) an $n$-simplex.
$endgroup$
– hardmath
Nov 18 '14 at 11:43












$begingroup$
I guess the point I find non-trivial is since the results add to one. If this is true, then the point in question is indeed on the standard n-simplex in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ (which is a region of the hyperplane $sum_i x_i = 1$). But then I don't understand closest n vertices on the box either, since these vertices would always the same; they correspond to the canonical vectors. The n-box has $2^n$ vertices, why introduce such a great uncertainty in the choice of "closest vertices"? Finally, where does but sorting compressed the space by a factor of n! come from?
$endgroup$
– Sheljohn
Nov 18 '14 at 11:55






$begingroup$
I guess the point I find non-trivial is since the results add to one. If this is true, then the point in question is indeed on the standard n-simplex in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$ (which is a region of the hyperplane $sum_i x_i = 1$). But then I don't understand closest n vertices on the box either, since these vertices would always the same; they correspond to the canonical vectors. The n-box has $2^n$ vertices, why introduce such a great uncertainty in the choice of "closest vertices"? Finally, where does but sorting compressed the space by a factor of n! come from?
$endgroup$
– Sheljohn
Nov 18 '14 at 11:55






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$begingroup$
Taking a point $(x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n)$ "in" the unit box means $0 le x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n le 1$. If the coordinates were sorted (ascending), so that $0 le x_1 le x_2 ;ldots le x_n le 1$, then taking differences $y_i = x_{i+1} - x_i$, where for convenience we take $x_0 = 0$, $x_{n+1} = 1$, we get $y_i in [0,1], i = 0,ldots,n$ such that $sum y_i = 1$.
$endgroup$
– hardmath
Nov 18 '14 at 12:45




$begingroup$
Taking a point $(x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n)$ "in" the unit box means $0 le x_1,x_2,ldots,x_n le 1$. If the coordinates were sorted (ascending), so that $0 le x_1 le x_2 ;ldots le x_n le 1$, then taking differences $y_i = x_{i+1} - x_i$, where for convenience we take $x_0 = 0$, $x_{n+1} = 1$, we get $y_i in [0,1], i = 0,ldots,n$ such that $sum y_i = 1$.
$endgroup$
– hardmath
Nov 18 '14 at 12:45












$begingroup$
@hardmath You're right, it's just a telescopic sum. Thank you! Well, first point checked then :)
$endgroup$
– Sheljohn
Nov 18 '14 at 13:31




$begingroup$
@hardmath You're right, it's just a telescopic sum. Thank you! Well, first point checked then :)
$endgroup$
– Sheljohn
Nov 18 '14 at 13:31












$begingroup$
It seems the idea is to present a map of the "unit box" in $mathbb{R}^n$ onto the standard simplex, and show that it has a nice interpretation as a $n!$ to $1$ mapping that preserves volume on portions where the coordinates are already sorted. I'll have to puzzle over how to present the idea more clearly.
$endgroup$
– hardmath
Nov 18 '14 at 13:37






$begingroup$
It seems the idea is to present a map of the "unit box" in $mathbb{R}^n$ onto the standard simplex, and show that it has a nice interpretation as a $n!$ to $1$ mapping that preserves volume on portions where the coordinates are already sorted. I'll have to puzzle over how to present the idea more clearly.
$endgroup$
– hardmath
Nov 18 '14 at 13:37












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